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Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pavlov on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @03:55AM (#41443001)
> "you also have to wonder where the salaries would be at in tech, and how many more citizens would be training for these roles if it weren't for H-1B visa"

On the flip side, you have to wonder where the American tech industry would be without immigrants.

Nvidia was founded by the son of Taiwanese parents who sent their children to live with an uncle in the US. That's one of the many immigration paths that the MAGAs want to close.

Was the creation of Nvidia a "handout to corporations"? Intel sure would be happy if Jensen Huang had never made it to America.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by carom on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:02AM (#41443046)
I don't disagree, getting smart and ambitious people to move to your country is a really good policy overall. It is just worth weighing it against the opportunity cost for the citizens of the country.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:13AM (#41443110)
doesn't it beg the question though... if they're so good for America why aren't they good for their own country?
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by echelon on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:26AM (#41443198)
The value and commensurate compensation of talent depends on location. Proximity to colleagues, decision makers, and capital.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:43AM (#41443328)
Somebody has to sacrifice to be the first to start something like that in their own country.

In America we built companies art and music out of our garages just for the love of it... not because "that's where the compensation was."

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by t43562 on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:28AM (#41443618)
You guys move around for opportunity all the time.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:33AM (#41443649)
Some not most
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pacerier on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @06:46AM (#41444090)
I think you meant all. All moves when disaster comes.

Meanwhile where there is food there is no need to move.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:23AM (#41445480)
some people are farmers
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pacerier on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @06:08PM (#41451381)
Farmers move too when disaster comes. You are out of job, out of food, you move.

Meanwhile where there is food there is no need to move.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pacerier on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @06:36AM (#41444026)
What are you talking about? Is this fact or romance? The country certainly did not become what it is through love of sacrifice.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by asimpletune on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:27AM (#41443203)
It makes sense for big fish to seek big ponds
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:42AM (#41443323)
India and China arent big ponds?
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pacerier on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @07:16AM (#41444296)
Many pockets of the pond are not yet deep, making it unsuitable for many species.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by foldr on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:28AM (#41443216)
They are. When a doctor immigrates from Nigeria to the US, then that's broadly speaking good for the US and bad for Nigeria.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:47AM (#41443362)
is it though...
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by foldr on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:53AM (#41443383)
Both countries have a shortage of doctors, so yes.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pacerier on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @06:58AM (#41444184)
That's not how it works. It depends on whether (how much) they are paid and if so what do they buy with that payment. Are they settled in US buying pizzas and Netflix?

Because if not, then investments to Nigeria past $x will grant it the upperhand since all that money can get you another doctor and more.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by foldr on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:37AM (#41445721)
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pacerier on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @06:32PM (#41451571)
5 years is truly a big kill. looks like its a reaction to 99% of them refusing to send money back home and invest in Nigeria, preferring to buy-US and -Europe.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by foldr on Thursday September 05, 2024 @04:28AM (#41454691)
Not sure if you are deliberately misunderstanding at this point, but the problem is obviously not where the doctors spend their money, but the fact that they are not practicing medicine in Nigeria – as Nigeria might reasonably have hoped them to do once they completed their training.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pacerier on Thursday September 05, 2024 @06:00PM (#41460734)
? The problem is obviously whether (how much) the doctors are paid and where they spend that money.

You cannot expect an article to tell you these things.

Whether they work in Nigeria or not is not the issue. The issue is that they are doing it without compensating the country. Worse, they clearly don't intend to come back again (so you don't Ever get compensated at all, not just suffering time value of money) otherwise there's no need for a 5 year penalty. which is relatively huge compared to what the other countries are doing.

I guess sending money back home is not big in Nigeria culturally like it is in Mexico? Welp, I can't enforce you to send money back but guess what, I can enforce you to not leave at all.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by foldr on Thursday September 05, 2024 @06:47PM (#41461047)
>Whether they work in Nigeria or not is not the issue.

It absolutely is the issue, because Nigeria has a shortage of doctors. It has nothing to do with whether or not Nigerian doctors send money back home. If they send lots of money back home, they still aren't in Nigeria practicing medicine, which is what Nigeria actually wants.

If this was about money then there'd be no reason to make a law specific to doctors, as many other Nigerians emigrate for better economic prospects elsewhere.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pacerier on Monday September 09, 2024 @06:32PM (#41494894)
whatafool, do apply common sense sometimes. Nigeria has a shortage of Everything. But it needs money more than it needs anything else.

> which is what Nigeria actually wants

Declared by who? And that politically correct statement is believed by who? (other than you)

> no reason

??? Doctor training is one of the Top heavily subsidized by the state. (As with weapons. but no one is chanting "Weapons Weapons Weapons" but "Doctors Doctors Doctors" because PC, as zelensky the clown has found out the hard way even for a christian country.) Sure, it's expensive to subsidize the capital for a literature major to sit in a beautiful airconditioned classroom with a courtyard.. at least until you find out the annual mortgage of a PBT facility.

Tldr use common sense. If every doctor I export out of the country gets me 4.48b cf js.do/code/740428 (prepaid btw, for the correct interest rate to charge does not make any sense considering the country may not be around for another 99y), then I only need to export 100 per year [out of 220M] to twice my gdp; heck you'd do it all day long every single day.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by jyounker on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:29AM (#41443219)
When they leave their country it's called Brain Drain.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by shiroiushi on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:49AM (#41443365)
Because their country doesn't offer the same opportunities to achieve the things they believe they can in their new country. It's the main reason people emigrate. No one's going to build Nvidia in India or China, for instance, at least not back in the time that it was created in America.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:57AM (#41443405)
America didn't used to be the country that offered those opportunities.

Yet people built it and made it that way.

Nothing is static people csn change anything

These people need to do that in their own countries.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by shiroiushi on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:15AM (#41443527)
The people that built it and made it that way in America were all immigrants.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:27AM (#41443607)
I didn't know Bell labs employees Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were all immigrants
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by ivewonyoung on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:46AM (#41443732)
Steve Jobs' father and grandparents were Syrian.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pacerier on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @06:25AM (#41443973)
> didn't used to be

That's false. By definition none would have come if there wasn't opportunity. You don't need to be a geography student to see that it wasn't just irreligious opportunity.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:20AM (#41445443)
do you think opportunity just magically springs up in places or do you think people make it?
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:41AM (#41445765)
People who are looking for opportunity see a place where they could make it.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by cudgy on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:39AM (#41445750)
Both
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pacerier on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @06:06PM (#41451360)
As stated, the geography of north America provides the opportunity, before there were Americans.

Gold rush and stuff is just a bonus, the big money is in cattle and agriculture.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by surgical_fire on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:25AM (#41443596)
Kind of ironic, considering the whole original population of America (the whole continent) was mostly replaced by immigrants, starting some time after 1492 AD.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:28AM (#41443621)
well in that context they were conquerors
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by surgical_fire on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:32AM (#41443646)
Colonizers rather than conquerors. Colonizers are effectively migrants, by the very definition of the word.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by defrost on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:45AM (#41443727)
The British India Company colonisation of India was institutional colonisation.

The company remained for many generations but most (not all) individual British people stationed themselves in India and retired 'home' to England where to whence the money flowed.

Many European countries regarded their "colonies" as places to exploit for resources, places to be travelled to for work for many years, places they didn't regard as 'home'.

There's more to "colonisation" than just simple migration.

Even in Australia the early colonisation was by settler families that were part of larger stay at home families, the black sheep, wayward sons, and fortune seeking adventurers .. in Australia convicts and servant families remained, ultimately a good proportion of the underwritten (from home) settlers stayed .. but initially at least many heads of these families "returned home" to England.

In a similar manner modern USofA has many institutional "colonies" around the globe, bases they've established and never left, these rarely have permanently settled multi generational families.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:22AM (#41445463)
and those countries that were colonized by Western Civilization countries are very lucky.

they are typically the top performing GDP countries of their region with some of the best quality of life for their citizens

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by surgical_fire on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @11:40AM (#41447072)
Oh yes. Get the list of countries colonized by the awesome Western Civilization. You will be surprised to learn the world is a lot larger than US and Canada.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @03:00PM (#41449292)
Just look at African or South American countries by GDP and see which ones are at the top of the list
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by surgical_fire on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @03:23PM (#41449604)
You are aware that all South and Central American countries were colonized by Western Powers right?
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by shiroiushi on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:44PM (#41452707)
Obviously he has no clue, and thinks all the (largely southern-)European-looking Spanish and Portuguese-speaking people there somehow descended from Aztecs and Incas.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pacerier on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:32AM (#41443637)
But they are. Yet men being men will go where they think the money/food is.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pacerier on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:16AM (#41443535)
What opportunity cost? Expensive healthcare? Expensive housing? Hey pal, why not everything else under the sun?

Immigrants have made the country rich enough to give everyone ubi free housing and free healthcare. But Then Billionaires.

#immigrants-are-the-new-jews #stop-blaming-the-hand-that-feeds

( Of course, it's not billionaires per se, but Greed. Eg in countries like singapore, the Politicians are the problem. )

For a living example, take a look at UAE, although I'd say they could have treated immigrants a bit better.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by indoordin0saur on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @03:40PM (#41449822)
One thing I seldom see discussed is how if you're attracting the best and brightest it is leaving the original country poor. These places invest in their children hoping that they'll start businesses and then all that investment just ends up going to those countries that are already the richest.

I certainly don't blame anyone for wanting to move to improve their situation (I did it too!) but I wonder if developing countries would have caught up to the West decades ago if this brain drain wasn't going on.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:09AM (#41443090)
If an immigrant didn't start the company an legacy American would have.

In the 90s demand for graphic chips was massive just due to basic economic forces.

An immigrant just got to it first.

If an immigrant didn't start the company a legacy American like Mark Cuban or Gates would have.

There's plenty of smart people in America both as entrepreneurs and as employees.

We definitely don't need more immigrants here.

Also, if your argument is true we shouldn't be poaching immigrants from other countries anyway and depriving other countries of their brain power to make their country better.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by waciki on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:18AM (#41443138)
> If an immigrant didn't start the company a legacy American like Mark Cuban or Gates would have.

Or somebody in another country?

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:28AM (#41443212)
Other countries have had 20 times the population of America for centuries and yet pre H1b America invented all modern computing, the internet, etc etc as we know it.

Not worried about other countries AT ALL.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by waciki on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:59AM (#41443439)
> all modern computing

not true

> the internet

www was invented at CERN by tim berner-lee though?

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:06AM (#41443473)
well DARPA net

but still I should expand my claim to say all modern computing was invented by Western countries

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @10:24AM (#41446213)
Pre H1B America was still pulling a large number of people from Europe, many of whom were fleeing WWII or its aftermath. John Von Neumann, for example, was Hungarian (though he came to the US in 1930, so not a WWII refugee).

Europe didn't do as much of inventing modern computing (though Bletchley Park would like a word) because it was still trying to recover from the destruction of WWII, and that set them back a decade. China and India didn't, because they were more than a decade behind. Having 20 times the population doesn't mean you're at the cutting edge.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by raverbashing on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:25AM (#41443187)
> a legacy American like Mark Cuban

From Wikipedia

> His paternal grandfather changed the surname from "Chabenisky" to "Cuban" after his family emigrated from Russia through Ellis Island.[14][15] His maternal grandparents were Romanian Jewish immigrants

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:34AM (#41443250)
Immigrant from Europe right?

That's where everyone in America came from.

Same culture, same history, same values.

Western civilization seems to create high trust societies that other cultures struggle to replicate.

People say America was founded on immigration which is true but they neglect to say that it was immigration FROM EUROPE.

Immigrants from non-western countries weren't allowed into America en masse until the 1965 immigration act.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_...

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by t43562 on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:45AM (#41443729)
Steve Jobs - Iranian? Fatih and his wife Eren Ozmen (Sierra Nevada Corporation) are Turkish. Sergey Brin... Russian?

Seems every time you try to make some fundamentally discriminatory point the definition has to keep expanding form e.g. Britain, to EUROPE to Western to whatever.

Democracy is Greek. Our counting system is Arabic. 0 is an Indian concept. etc etc etc.

Progress is just a flame and people who know they can make it happen go to where other similar people are.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:34AM (#41445654)
you name a few dubious outlier discoveries their origins of which are contested but I'll give them to you.

> Progress is just a flame and people who know they can make it happen go to where other similar people are.

yet progress only seems to be happening in Western countries and has been for centuries and everyone continuously tries to immigrate to Western countries and never in the reverse direction.

I struggle to agree with you

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by t43562 on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @10:53AM (#41446490)
Western countries don't always progress do they? One of them went full in reverse last century. Similarly with everywhere else. When westerners were painting their faces and living in mud huts the Chinese were far more civilised. If you keep on thinking that you're superior you won't take the actions to stop your decline.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pacerier on Thursday September 05, 2024 @06:21PM (#41460874)
> has been for centuries.

Did you even bother picking up a for-kids textbook on world history? 250 years is incredibly short, it's not even 10%?

For centuries.. "western" countries did not even exist.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by atlas_hugged on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:46AM (#41443351)
Hahahaha what even? Why would you argue about something if you’re so uninformed on the subject?

This reminds me of an old daoist quote I heard ages ago, probably in high school:

Those that know, do not speak. Those who speak, do not know.

In other words:

If you have to say you know it all, you know fuck all.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:58AM (#41443422)
a lot of insults and not a lot of information
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pacerier on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @07:33AM (#41444432)
Because when someone goes British and Russians "same culture, same history, same values"...

And ends it with America is "high trust" like as if they never heard of Japan...

And I still can't leave a darn Chromebook in the library for a 5min toilet break without losing it because the trust is so high.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:41AM (#41445766)
Japan is an exception I'll give you that.

I live in a suburban town I can leave my stuff at a table and go to the restroom with no worries.

what do you think the difference between my town and yours is?

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by ryandrake on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @11:21AM (#41446832)
Let me guess: "Strong, white, pure, European, Western culture?" This kind of content doesn't seem to meet the bar here at HN. There are plenty other Internet forums that welcome this kind of cultural supremacy talk.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pacerier on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @06:26PM (#41451520)
> suburban town

The difference is that one is a town and the other isn't. A town has barely any people. Just because you can leave your stuff at home does not make the country a high-trust country. Among countries US is a low-trust country.

> Japan is an exception

Japan is not the exception. It isn't even the leader, just a well-known and famous country. I encourage you to travel a bit and escape the echo chamber of Douglas Murray books and other western culture supremacists. Stop reading and start seeing. You will be shocked to find at least 100 high-trust cultures and will understand why your standards were that low.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by surgical_fire on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:29AM (#41443626)
> That's where everyone in America came from.

Er, quite a lot came from Africa.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:35AM (#41445685)
I was being hyperbolic of course there's people not from Europe in America.

the surest sign of a midwit is the inability to infer.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by surgical_fire on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @11:41AM (#41447080)
Given your other replies to this thread, I am happy to be a midwit, if the other option was having your big brains.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by foldr on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:02AM (#41443448)
>That's where everyone in America came from.

What about the people who were already there? Surely they'd still be a substantial portion of the population?

I guess they must have all left voluntarily because they didn't agree with Western values.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:11AM (#41443506)
> What about the people who were already there

they got conquered if you look at history books

> they didn't agree with Western values.

you don't ever disagree with people who you share the same values and culture with?

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by orwin on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @07:16AM (#41444297)
They got killed by germs, then divided by political moves, it wasn't really a conquest like the race for Africa was. It was really inspired by what the Spanish did to the Canarias,and used the same idiotic rethoric.

I don't agree with Cesaire much, but you cannot discuss about colonialism without reading him first.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by raverbashing on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:41AM (#41443312)
I kinda agree with you

But given how Irish and Italians were treated back then, I imagine Eastern Europe immigrants had it even worse

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pavlov on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @06:22AM (#41443957)
55% of American unicorn startups have at least one immigrant founder.

Are you saying all those companies would still exist if there was no immigration?

Extending the same logic, the British colonies never needed to be established. Native Americans would have started Nvidia on their own eventually. (“Silicon Cahokia?”)

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:29AM (#41445596)
> 55% of American unicorn startups

dubious and meaningless metric

> Native Americans would have started Nvidia on their own eventually. (“Silicon Cahokia?”)

doubtful. It takes Western Civilization culture to build great things. It's why every other culture wants to immigrate to Western civilization and no one wants to immigrate in the reverse direction.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pacerier on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @06:48PM (#41451671)
Men move where they think the money/food is. Being "western" does not allow the country to attract more but less. Nevertheless men did still move where the money/food is including perhaps to Antarctica where they didn't make it eventually, but did so in so many other continents.

> takes Western Civilization culture to build great things

That's crazy talk often uttered by supremacist [killers] who refuse to read history, thinking that Americans invented guns while knowing nothing of Suez canals, Congolese hands, Opium wars. Before the industrial revolution, the "barbarians" were not even on the map. It does take one from a superior culture to come to US and understand the people to know what mcbc (term I coined for "money cannot buy culture") means.

[btw you can give a baby all the land and oil in the world, that makes it rich, not cultured] [at least Genghis Khan doesn't go around pretending that he has learned culture]

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by yunohn on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:13AM (#41443109)
> the son of Taiwanese parents who sent their children to live with an uncle in the US. That's one of the many immigration paths that the MAGAs want to close.

Is this an actual immigration path that still remains open? I find it hard to believe.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by varjag on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:18AM (#41443140)
No not really. Maybe in Ellis Island days.

Most born Americans certainly have no fainest clue how hard it is to legally immigrate to the USA already.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pacerier on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:02AM (#41443453)
Actually it is incredibly easy. But keyword is not "productivity", it is "family".

Who knew.. that the racist plan to ensure the population stays white actually had the reverse effect.. 2024 and nothing's still being done about it because That's racist doh!

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by varjag on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @06:26AM (#41443981)
Family reunification with your uncle is impossible. You literally just proved my point.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pacerier on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @07:07AM (#41444245)
You can't do it with an uncle and that does not make it hard. It is in fact incredibly easy.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by varjag on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @07:36AM (#41444452)
For someone who has no immediate family in the USA (i.e. most people of the world) the reunification venue is closed. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pacerier on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @08:02AM (#41444665)
But for someone who has, the door is wide wide wide open.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by varjag on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @10:17AM (#41446133)
Yes and if you have 10 million dollars you have options for wealth immigration, the door is wide wide open. Do you think that makes immigration to the USA incredibly easy?
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pacerier on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @06:11PM (#41451417)
wealth immigration is the productivity path not family path
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by ryandrake on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @11:16AM (#41446782)
OK, so it being easy for a subset of people doesn't mean it's "easy" in general.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:46AM (#41443350)
there's a lot of businesses simply built around hacking the US immigration system.

the people most likely to immigrate aren't the smartest but the people with the most money who can pay to hack the system

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by varjag on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @06:52AM (#41444129)
There really isn't much "hacking" going on, it's mostly fraud. Fictional marriages, fake jobs and so on. I was talking about legal ways.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pavlov on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @06:08AM (#41443862)
It’s a patchwork. The latest policy to allow undocumented immigrant children to stay is from 2012 and still in effect:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_Action_for_Childhood_...