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Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:34AM (#41443250)
Immigrant from Europe right?

That's where everyone in America came from.

Same culture, same history, same values.

Western civilization seems to create high trust societies that other cultures struggle to replicate.

People say America was founded on immigration which is true but they neglect to say that it was immigration FROM EUROPE.

Immigrants from non-western countries weren't allowed into America en masse until the 1965 immigration act.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_...

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by t43562 on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:45AM (#41443729)
Steve Jobs - Iranian? Fatih and his wife Eren Ozmen (Sierra Nevada Corporation) are Turkish. Sergey Brin... Russian?

Seems every time you try to make some fundamentally discriminatory point the definition has to keep expanding form e.g. Britain, to EUROPE to Western to whatever.

Democracy is Greek. Our counting system is Arabic. 0 is an Indian concept. etc etc etc.

Progress is just a flame and people who know they can make it happen go to where other similar people are.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:34AM (#41445654)
you name a few dubious outlier discoveries their origins of which are contested but I'll give them to you.

> Progress is just a flame and people who know they can make it happen go to where other similar people are.

yet progress only seems to be happening in Western countries and has been for centuries and everyone continuously tries to immigrate to Western countries and never in the reverse direction.

I struggle to agree with you

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by t43562 on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @10:53AM (#41446490)
Western countries don't always progress do they? One of them went full in reverse last century. Similarly with everywhere else. When westerners were painting their faces and living in mud huts the Chinese were far more civilised. If you keep on thinking that you're superior you won't take the actions to stop your decline.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pacerier on Thursday September 05, 2024 @06:21PM (#41460874)
> has been for centuries.

Did you even bother picking up a for-kids textbook on world history? 250 years is incredibly short, it's not even 10%?

For centuries.. "western" countries did not even exist.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by atlas_hugged on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:46AM (#41443351)
Hahahaha what even? Why would you argue about something if you’re so uninformed on the subject?

This reminds me of an old daoist quote I heard ages ago, probably in high school:

Those that know, do not speak. Those who speak, do not know.

In other words:

If you have to say you know it all, you know fuck all.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:58AM (#41443422)
a lot of insults and not a lot of information
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pacerier on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @07:33AM (#41444432)
Because when someone goes British and Russians "same culture, same history, same values"...

And ends it with America is "high trust" like as if they never heard of Japan...

And I still can't leave a darn Chromebook in the library for a 5min toilet break without losing it because the trust is so high.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:41AM (#41445766)
Japan is an exception I'll give you that.

I live in a suburban town I can leave my stuff at a table and go to the restroom with no worries.

what do you think the difference between my town and yours is?

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by ryandrake on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @11:21AM (#41446832)
Let me guess: "Strong, white, pure, European, Western culture?" This kind of content doesn't seem to meet the bar here at HN. There are plenty other Internet forums that welcome this kind of cultural supremacy talk.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by pacerier on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @06:26PM (#41451520)
> suburban town

The difference is that one is a town and the other isn't. A town has barely any people. Just because you can leave your stuff at home does not make the country a high-trust country. Among countries US is a low-trust country.

> Japan is an exception

Japan is not the exception. It isn't even the leader, just a well-known and famous country. I encourage you to travel a bit and escape the echo chamber of Douglas Murray books and other western culture supremacists. Stop reading and start seeing. You will be shocked to find at least 100 high-trust cultures and will understand why your standards were that low.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by surgical_fire on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:29AM (#41443626)
> That's where everyone in America came from.

Er, quite a lot came from Africa.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:35AM (#41445685)
I was being hyperbolic of course there's people not from Europe in America.

the surest sign of a midwit is the inability to infer.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by surgical_fire on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @11:41AM (#41447080)
Given your other replies to this thread, I am happy to be a midwit, if the other option was having your big brains.
Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by foldr on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:02AM (#41443448)
>That's where everyone in America came from.

What about the people who were already there? Surely they'd still be a substantial portion of the population?

I guess they must have all left voluntarily because they didn't agree with Western values.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by the_real_cher on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:11AM (#41443506)
> What about the people who were already there

they got conquered if you look at history books

> they didn't agree with Western values.

you don't ever disagree with people who you share the same values and culture with?

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by orwin on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @07:16AM (#41444297)
They got killed by germs, then divided by political moves, it wasn't really a conquest like the race for Africa was. It was really inspired by what the Spanish did to the Canarias,and used the same idiotic rethoric.

I don't agree with Cesaire much, but you cannot discuss about colonialism without reading him first.

Re:Immigration has remade the U.S. labor force by raverbashing on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:41AM (#41443312)
I kinda agree with you

But given how Irish and Italians were treated back then, I imagine Eastern Europe immigrants had it even worse