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Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by trentnix on Sunday July 21, 2024 @01:59PM (#41026802)
| The man is not in his best form and he has repeatedly shown that he isn’t.

If that's true, it is imperative he step down from the office entirely.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by yongjik on Sunday July 21, 2024 @02:23PM (#41027009)
He's still competent enough to be president. He just doesn't have the chops to skewer a lunatic in a live TV debate, which is unfortunately very important, because if he can't, the lunatic might be the next president.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by drexlspivey on Sunday July 21, 2024 @02:44PM (#41027175)
Would you hire him for any role in your company in his current state?
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by shepherdjerred on Sunday July 21, 2024 @03:35PM (#41027530)
Isn't Biden pretty good at getting out of the way and letting experts make the decisions? That seems like a pretty valuable trait in a leader assuming the advisors are high quality and that you're not in a time of crisis and need a strong leader (e.g. war).
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by xenospn on Sunday July 21, 2024 @03:33PM (#41027514)
I’d hire Biden as an advisor. Or a board member. I wouldn’t trust Trump with taking out the trash.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by fellowniusmonk on Sunday July 21, 2024 @04:56PM (#41028034)
This may piss off a bunch of people here on this site who are in the C-suite but...

I'd only hire Biden for the CEO role actually. Guys a great executive that has a hard time leaving. Classic CEO.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by jaapbadlands on Sunday July 21, 2024 @05:24PM (#41028261)
Yes, his decision making is sound, and comes with a huge weight of experience and understanding of how the world works. His ability to communicate effectively has diminished, but not his ability to assess facts and make effective determinations.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by klyrs on Sunday July 21, 2024 @05:35PM (#41028374)
Oh hell yeah he'd be ridiculously overqualified as a lobbyist.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by glenndebacker on Sunday July 21, 2024 @05:42PM (#41028434)
Would you hire Trump for any role in your company?
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by cocacola1 on Sunday July 21, 2024 @08:48PM (#41029859)
"Would you hire an ex-president for any role in your company?"

Is there literally any company that wouldn't?

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by RickJWagner on Sunday July 21, 2024 @02:42PM (#41027162)
Think for a moment about what you are saying.

He is not able to hold his own in a debate. Yet you believe he's strong enough to lead the nation and decide when to go to war or not?

Being president should take a high degree of intelligence, integrity, and awareness. At all times.

If Biden's age has been causing mental issues, fine. That'll happen to everybody. But if it's bad enough to stop him from running, it should be bad enough to keep him out of office.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by yongjik on Sunday July 21, 2024 @03:44PM (#41027581)
> He is not able to hold his own in a debate. Yet you believe he's strong enough to lead the nation and decide when to go to war or not?

Because when he has to decide when to go to war or not, he's surrounded by a group of trusted advisors.

Damn, where are all the HN regulars who chant "How the fuck is a one hour pressure-cooker leetcode session relevant to someone's capability as a software engineer? We're measuring the wrong thing!" ...

* Also, are we just ignoring the context that Biden is stepping down because otherwise Trump might get elected? I know this forum is not a place to call for Trump's resignation, but I can practically taste the double standard today ...

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by Gud on Sunday July 21, 2024 @04:05PM (#41027711)
And he also has to be able to make a decision at a moments notice. When the alarm bells are flashing red in the nuclear bunker, do you want a half senile man deciding to press the button or not?
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by Sabinus on Sunday July 21, 2024 @10:35PM (#41030412)
Between that and one with 'dictatorial impulses', I'll take the half senile guy.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by tim333 on Sunday July 21, 2024 @03:15PM (#41027400)
He's deteriorating. He's probably ok to do the job now but the thought of him doing it in four years time is scary.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by dredmorbius on Sunday July 21, 2024 @07:22PM (#41029273)
To invoke Grestky: it's where the puck is going that's a concern. Four years from today is not the same as today.

(Agreeing with you, just adding to the perspective.)

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by navjack27 on Sunday July 21, 2024 @02:56PM (#41027263)
> Being president should take a high degree of intelligence, integrity, and awareness. At all times.

You're basically saying a superhuman is the only thing that should be president. There doesn't exist a person that can navigate politics while having a high degree of intelligence, integrity, and awareness at all times.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by DANmode on Sunday July 21, 2024 @05:38PM (#41028394)
I find this to be one of the most troubling comments in the thread.

If it's true, then we genuinely have destroyed most societal incentive structure that makes being governed worthwhile.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by goatlover on Sunday July 21, 2024 @05:10PM (#41028138)
I wonder strategically if it would help Kamala Harris if he did step down so she could be acting president heading into the election?
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by ScottBurson on Sunday July 21, 2024 @05:27PM (#41028295)
Probably not. She needs to spend her time campaigning.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by pokot0 on Sunday July 21, 2024 @10:10PM (#41030286)
Imagine what a target she would become for anything she does.

I think they discussed this and:

Biden: run the country and try to lay the groundwork to rectify the Supreme Court crazyness

Harris: your turn to beat Trump in November

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by Hikikomori on Sunday July 21, 2024 @05:32PM (#41028345)
I thought that congress declared when to go to war.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by DANmode on Sunday July 21, 2024 @05:36PM (#41028385)
Yes, it's those pesky 10 year "military operations" that keep sneaking by we're really talking about, though.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by Tao3300 on Sunday July 21, 2024 @10:20PM (#41030342)
Yep. We've been a nation at peace since 1947.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by Tao3300 on Sunday July 21, 2024 @10:24PM (#41030359)
That's a bad faith suggestion. You know very well that it's better to have Harris focused on the campaign in this situation.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by sib on Sunday July 21, 2024 @05:16PM (#41028209)
He is clearly not competent enough to be president. He is, arguably, barely competent enough to be a ventriloquist's dummy at this point, which is effectively what he is. We just don't know who the ventriloquist is.

Does anyone believe that he should have his finger on "the button" controlling thousands of nuclear weapons? If you were in charge of a boomer or a Minuteman III silos and you got a launch order purportedly from Biden, would you execute that order? If so, really? If not, what deterrent is currently in place?

If that's the situation, then he's not the president and should either step down or be replaced via mechanisms of the 25th Amendment.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by sib on Monday July 22, 2024 @12:19PM (#41036169)
I mean he didn't even sign the letter himself and he's been completely hidden since it was published. No one thinks this is weird or dangerous?
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by cheese4242 on Sunday July 21, 2024 @06:42PM (#41028953)
> He just doesn't have the chops to skewer a lunatic in a live TV debate

Sorry, but this borders on gaslighting.

It's not that he "didn't have the chops" to win the debate, it's that during the debate he clearly demonstrated that his mind is gone.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by margalabargala on Monday July 22, 2024 @01:12AM (#41031093)
Disagree. The debate showed that his communication abilities are nearly gone, but his mind behind them is intact, just slower than it was.

Which is a really unfortunate position for him to be in. It can't be pleasant. He's not suitable to lead the country for another four years for sure. The country needs a leader who inspires people, and no one on that debate stage was that.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by antonvs on Sunday July 21, 2024 @02:04PM (#41026838)
That doesn’t follow at all.

There’s a process for removing him if enough people in congress believed that it was an issue, but there’s no reason to do so at this point in the presidency. Even the Republicans aren’t likely to try that.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by nightowl_games on Sunday July 21, 2024 @02:12PM (#41026918)
It does follow. The reason is if the president is cognitively incapable of leading the country. There's a good argument that Biden isn't competent enough to drive a car or work at home Depot. He makes gaffes every time he speaks and is rude and demeaning to people around him according to reports. It's pretty likely that he is effectively not the president right now, that his trusted senior advisers are actually running the country.

I'm not saying all of this is certain or that Biden should be removed, but it is certainly plausible, if not likely.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by tzs on Sunday July 21, 2024 @02:41PM (#41027153)
It does not follow.

As we age we do have a decline in mental and physical function, but it is generally not uniform. From the reports I've heard his speaking ability is down, but his analytical abilities are still fine.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by angoragoats on Sunday July 21, 2024 @02:33PM (#41027081)
> He makes gaffes every time he speaks and is rude and demeaning to people around him according to reports.

If this is the criteria for “people who shouldn’t be president” then perhaps both parties should offer different candidates.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by SV_BubbleTime on Sunday July 21, 2024 @11:45PM (#41030753)
Trump just had a 90 minute off the cuff acceptance speech at their convention. I can show you the disagreements I would have I can’t show you any major gaffes.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by angoragoats on Monday July 22, 2024 @10:37AM (#41034943)
> off the cuff acceptance speech

If you want to split hairs and say that the verbal diarrhea that comes out of his mouth every time he opens it is not in itself one giant "gaffe," I guess I'll just concede the point and move on. He's still a giant asshole, always, to everyone, so my original point still stands.

And why was his acceptance speech so "off the cuff" if it was at an official function where he had months to prepare?

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by SV_BubbleTime on Monday July 22, 2024 @11:49AM (#41035792)
You don’t like him, I get it. Now, I wonder why you can’t step outside of your own opinion and look at things objectively?

You know Joe’s gaffes and Kamala’s broke catchphrase aren’t the same things.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by angoragoats on Monday July 22, 2024 @07:27PM (#41040891)
Please don’t assume what my opinion or state of mind is without asking me.

I honestly don’t know what “Kamala’s broke catchphrase” is.

Joe Biden makes gaffes, appears to have problems with his memory on certain occasions, and is probably too old to run for another four years.

None of the above contradicts anything I previously said.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by SV_BubbleTime on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @09:51AM (#41046031)
>I honestly don’t know what “Kamala’s broke catchphrase” is.

Of course you don’t. Ignorance is celebrated and you don’t ever consider that you are the one who was intentionally kept in the dark.

She is a moron, and it’s been kept from you. Like Joe’s condition was kept from you.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0K3rbIEsZC0

Yet… you have strong opinions you are somehow confident in.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by angoragoats on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @10:27AM (#41046322)
> you don’t ever consider that you are the one who was intentionally kept in the dark

There you go again, asserting that you know what's in my head. Please stop.

I've seen mentions of that catchphrase floating around. Based on the wording you used, I thought you were referring to her saying the word "broke" in some context, and I wasn't sure what you were talking about.

Perhaps you should work on your communication skills some more before acting so haughty?

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by Mountain_Skies on Sunday July 21, 2024 @02:27PM (#41027039)
A submarine launched nuclear missile takes about six minutes to hit its target. Presidents probably shouldn't even be permitted to drink alcohol during their time in office as responding to nuclear attacks is one of the major duties of office, even if one we hope they never have to perform.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by HaZeust on Sunday July 21, 2024 @02:33PM (#41027086)
There is an entire nuclear football[0] to ensure that's not an absolute power of the Presidency, what are you on about?

0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by shepherdjerred on Sunday July 21, 2024 @03:40PM (#41027559)
I think you interpreted the parent as saying the president might be drunk & order an unprompted nuclear attack.

The parent was really saying that the president might need to respond to a nuclear attack at any time, therefore they should always be sober and ready to respond. Essentially, the president is oncall 24/7 for reacting to nuclear threats.

There are some protections though where the presidents orders can be disobeyed, which are mentioned in that Wikipedia article you linked.

Related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Hering#Discharge

> "What if [the president's] mind is deranged, disordered, even damagingly intoxicated? ... Can he launch despite displaying symptoms of imbalance? Is there anything to stop him?" Rosenbaum says that the answer is that launch would indeed be possible: to this day, the nuclear fail-safe protocols for executing commands are entirely concerned with the president's identity, not his sanity. The president alone authorizes a nuclear launch and the two-man rule does not apply to him.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by avar on Sunday July 21, 2024 @05:53PM (#41028509)
Even if they didn't mean that, drunk or not, the US president has the sole authority, both legal and practical, to launch a nuclear strike.

Respectfully, you might want to read something more current on the subject. The excellent book Command and Control [1] is a good place to start.

The "protections" you appear to be alluding to presumably mean the "NCA"'s role in this. That's a term that has no official meaning since 2002 (and before that the president also had the sole authority to order nuclear strikes).

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_and_Control_(book)

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by HaZeust on Monday July 22, 2024 @01:03AM (#41031062)
Ah, I did! I do, however, understand that the president does have sole authority to launch a nuclear strike. Sorry for ambiguity.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by trentnix on Sunday July 21, 2024 @02:15PM (#41026943)
| there’s no reason to do so at this point in the presidency

The man is still the Commander-in-Chief. Anyone of limited mental faculties (which clearly describes President Biden), irrespective of their politics, should not be in the chair if they are not of sound mind. Consequently, I believe the responsible act would be for President Biden to resign the Presidency and allow his Vice President to take the mantle.

| Even the Republicans aren’t likely to try that.

I actually don't think it's in the Republicans best interest to do so. Tactically, the Democrats would be wise to let Kamala Harris sit in the Oval Office and make her the nominee. It would legitimize her as both a nominee and a candidate. Given that isn't happening, the cynic in me believes that suggests the Democrats don't want her as their candidate.

Regardless, the political machinations are irrelevant. It is irresponsible for Joe Biden to continue as President given he is obviously unfit to continue as the nominee.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by quickthrowman on Sunday July 21, 2024 @02:46PM (#41027202)
The thing is, there needs to be a Vice President to declare the winner of a Presidential election, as we all learned on Jan 6, 2021.

If Biden resigns and Harris becomes President, a new VP would need to be confirmed by the Senate, and the (GOP controlled) House.

What if the House refuses to take up the vote, similar to how McConnell refused to bring up Merrick Garland’s Supreme Court confirmation? In theory that kicks the election to the states, and each state counts as one vote, winner takes all.

I don’t think that’s a gamble the Democrats are willing to take, being that a majority of states (not a majority of the population) are GOP controlled.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by votepaunchy on Sunday July 21, 2024 @04:13PM (#41027748)
The President pro tempore of the United States Senate (currently Patty Murray, D-WA) acts in place of the VP.

“The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the Absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.” Article 1, Section 3

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by black_knight on Sunday July 21, 2024 @02:01PM (#41026815)
He writes that he wants to focus on completing the term.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by slater on Sunday July 21, 2024 @02:26PM (#41027026)
Don't forget, Saint Ronald I. was (allegedly) basically a potato in the latter year(s) of his presidency. So there's precedence, with such a situation.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by ianburrell on Sunday July 21, 2024 @05:09PM (#41028134)
Wilson had a stroke in 1919 that left him incapacitated. His wife and doctor ran the country.

Nixon has a drunk.

Roosevelt was in declining health before beign reelected in 1944. He knew he might have to resign early.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by sparrish on Sunday July 21, 2024 @06:14PM (#41028715)
And just because all those things happened doesn't mean they should have, morally or ethically.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by g-b-r on Sunday July 21, 2024 @02:18PM (#41026977)
Not in his best form doesn't mean unfit for president. But yeah, it might be better if he steps down, especially if the candidate will be Kamala Harris
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by tomjakubowski on Sunday July 21, 2024 @04:55PM (#41028030)
Seems totally reasonable: I am confident in my ability to do this job now, but I'm less sure I'll be able to do it three or four years from now, so I will be seeing out this contract and won't sign a new one with you. A perfectly normal thing most working people do in their 60s.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by ein0p on Sunday July 21, 2024 @05:39PM (#41028405)
I’m not at all confident in his ability to do his job even now. In fact I wasn’t confident of that back when he “ran” either (quoted because he didn’t really run, and his rallies were not large enough to fill a high school gym). Dude can’t read the teleprompter, falls over when climbing stairs, and forgets where he is half the time.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by energy123 on Sunday July 21, 2024 @05:00PM (#41028074)
He's unsuited to be President for another four years. That doesn't mean he needs to step down right now. It just means he shouldn't run for re-election.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by koolba on Sunday July 21, 2024 @09:56PM (#41030192)
He’s clearly incapable of making any serious decisions. He refers to his defense secretary when he can’t remember his name as “the black man”. He thought a different woman was his wife a few days ago and tried to kiss her. He’s delusional about the current state of the race. He can’t even descend two steps unassisted.

He should have stepped down months ago, and the Democrat party is responsible for hiding this from the public. They really thought they could just shield him till after the election.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by mastersummoner on Sunday July 21, 2024 @11:05PM (#41030562)
Why say "the Democrat Party"? The party's name is the Democratic Party. It feels like an attempted slight, but I don't get it, except that I know Donald Trump occasionally says this as well. Which I also don't get as an insult.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by DonHopkins on Monday July 22, 2024 @12:27AM (#41030932)
He purposefully said "Democrat Party" to publicly identify himself as a right wing Trump supporter. It's a childish right wing shibboleth. He wants you to know he's a Trump supporter who listens to and parrots Fox News and right-wing media and politicians word for word: that's exactly why he and Trump and other MAGA supporters say that, to "virtue signal" their support of Trump. It's just like wearing a bandage on your ear. Look at all the other words he wrote: he's just being a parrot, as a way of announcing his political bias. He's just a concern troll, not serious about what he says, pointedly making that mistake on purpose.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet)

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-conservatives-refer-to-the...

https://x.com/shaun_gains/status/1751513959025222048

>Remember “Democrat party” is the key right wing shibboleth when describing the Democratic Party. You gave yourself away. There is no such party as the “Democrat” Party in America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth

>A shibboleth (/ˈʃɪbəlɛθ, -ɪθ/ ⓘ;[1][2] Biblical Hebrew: שִׁבֹּלֶת, romanized: šībbōleṯ) is any custom or tradition, usually a choice of phrasing or even a single word, that distinguishes one group of people from another.[3][4][5] Shibboleths have been used throughout history in many societies as passwords, simple ways of self-identification, signaling loyalty and affinity, maintaining traditional segregation, or protecting from real or perceived threats.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by mastersummoner on Monday July 22, 2024 @09:22AM (#41034077)
Oh, I know. I was being somewhat disingenuous with my question. But thank you for the extremely informed response.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by koolba on Monday July 22, 2024 @12:43PM (#41036482)
It's telling that there's no attempt to refute the argument or examples that Biden is incapable of continuing to act as President or that the people around him have been lying to the public about it for months, if not longer.

Reminds me of the classic adage: If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by DonHopkins on Monday July 22, 2024 @02:12PM (#41037622)
You loudly and clearly signaled to everyone that you are not arguing in good faith, so you certainly don't deserve a serious response. All you're doing is parroting ignorant uninformed right wing talking points and childish schoolyard bully epitaphs, and it's a complete waste of time taking you seriously, since you have absolutely nothing useful or interesting to contribute, you don't even believe you own words, and you know very well that it's called the "Democratic Party" yet you went out of your way to make that "mistake" on purpose, and you just parrot what you heard without any thought or evidence, so you've forfeit all rights to expecting a response or being taken seriously.

It's supremely ironic that a Trump supporter like you would get his panties in a twist about somebody other than Trump lying in public.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by Capricorn2481 on Sunday July 21, 2024 @10:48PM (#41030477)
I mean you're describing Reagan and he is Christ to republicans. I don't think this is gonna have the public impact you think it will.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by avalys on Sunday July 21, 2024 @05:32PM (#41028348)
It’s completely possible that he’s fit for office now but realizing that he won’t be able to convince voters that he will remain fit for the next 4 years.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by Capricorn2481 on Sunday July 21, 2024 @10:47PM (#41030468)
Republicans would have to confirm a VP replacement, which they won't do. So even if he had to resign, he would be held hostage by Republicans because they would rather he lead the country badly than let someone else take over.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by semiquaver on Sunday July 21, 2024 @11:17PM (#41030622)
Why would the house hold up the confirmation of a replacement VP? If they don’t, Hakeem Jeffries is effectively the VP since he’s next in the line of succession. Doesn’t seem like a particular point of leverage or good politics.