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Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by talldayo on Saturday July 20, 2024 @06:49PM (#41020737)
> When I searched my name, there it was: a picture of my smiling face next to the text “Tom Faber was a physicist and publisher, and he was a university lecturer at Cambridge for 35 years”.

Good grief. Pal, you've got a name with 8 identifying alphanumeric characters. Of course it is going to collide with other identities on the openly-indexed internet.

Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by 8organicbits on Saturday July 20, 2024 @06:56PM (#41020794)
The article isn't about a name collision, it's about the photo:

> confused pictures of my face with the biography of another man who shared my name

Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by brookst on Saturday July 20, 2024 @07:04PM (#41020854)
Isn’t that name collision?
Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by iainmerrick on Saturday July 20, 2024 @07:13PM (#41020915)
If it were a simple name collision in the way the original commenter seemed to mean, you’d search for your name, and see the photo and biography of a different person.

The article writer searched for his name, and found his photo attached to somebody else’s biography. That’s an incorrect search result.

Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by deaddodo on Saturday July 20, 2024 @07:52PM (#41021212)
No, he found another person's biography near his profile photo for his X blurb. They were in distinctly different content bubbles, even if it visually looked similar.
Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by advael on Saturday July 20, 2024 @08:01PM (#41021275)
This reading isn't supported by the text
Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by kevin_thibedeau on Saturday July 20, 2024 @08:14PM (#41021348)
Too bad Tom Faber is dead so we'll never know the truth.
Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by brookst on Saturday July 20, 2024 @08:24PM (#41021407)
One day we’ll understand the mystery surrounding the death of all Tom Fabers at once.
Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by 8organicbits on Saturday July 20, 2024 @08:10PM (#41021329)
To me, a name collision is when two or more entities share the same name or ID. What's claimed here is that Google was showing the photo of one person on the bio of another person. That's an identity consolidation error, where two unrelated people are treated as one. The name collision presumably caused the identity consolidation error, but you can have name collisions without identity consolidation errors.
Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by stefan_ on Saturday July 20, 2024 @07:46PM (#41021168)
As this article rightly points out, people don't tend to care for why your lossy abstraction is making them out to be dead.
Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by tonynator on Saturday July 20, 2024 @07:14PM (#41020924)
That's name collision. The photo is chosen based on the name.
Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by scottlamb on Saturday July 20, 2024 @07:27PM (#41021027)
When I search for "Tom Faber", I expect to get results relating to a bunch of Tom Fabers.

When I see a knowledge panel result, I expect everything within it to relate to a single entity, regardless of name collisions. If it doesn't, that's incorrect. If it's too hard to disambiguate, it's better to not have the knowledge panel at all.

That said, I did this search just now. https://imgur.com/a/zEjrfte The top organic result is the author's X bio and has his profile pic in the search results page. To the right of it (across a gutter) is the knowledge panel about the physicist. I could see how one might get confused, but the X profile pic is just near the knowledge panel, not actually in it. So if this is what the author saw, I don't agree with the article. It'd be nice if he included an actual screenshot of what he's describing, instead of the cute "Why is Google..." thing.

Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by bigstrat2003 on Saturday July 20, 2024 @07:33PM (#41021059)
> When I see a knowledge panel result, I expect everything within it to relate to a single entity, regardless of name collisions. If it doesn't, that's incorrect.

Sure, that's the goal. But it's not like this is an unreasonable thing to get wrong on Google's part. It's hard, this is not like they're failing at easy tasks here.

Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by gerdesj on Saturday July 20, 2024 @08:08PM (#41021315)
"Sure, that's the goal. But it's not like this is an unreasonable thing to get wrong on Google's part. It's hard, this is not like they're failing at easy tasks here."

Should unreasonable trump acceptable? If you fail at something then should you do it?

An uncharitable interpretation seems to allow it is acceptable to imply someone is dead because an algorithmic process is hard ... lol ... l8ers.

At which point is disinformation acceptable?

Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by tonynator on Saturday July 20, 2024 @08:32PM (#41021441)
So we shouldn't use AI at all because it's often inaccurate? I think it's fine as long as it's made clear that it's not totally reliable, both in widespread public knowledge and in UI disclaimers.
Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by loktarogar on Saturday July 20, 2024 @09:57PM (#41021786)
I reckon it's reasonable to say we shouldn't use AI (LLMs) in places where we're looking for accurate information, yeah. Expectations for accuracy are higher in a seemingly curated summary.
Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by tonynator on Sunday July 21, 2024 @03:51AM (#41023307)
Who would it be "curated" by if not AI?

Any form of auto-generated summary online is from AI

Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by loktarogar on Sunday July 21, 2024 @04:06PM (#41027721)
We don't need auto summaries if they're not actually correct. It's not a choice between AI or not AI, it's a choice between summaries or no summaries
Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by tonynator on Monday July 22, 2024 @02:10AM (#41031335)
People seem to like "mostly correct" summaries though, like most other things AI
Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by CRConrad on Friday July 26, 2024 @11:35AM (#41079493)
> So we shouldn't use AI at all because it's often inaccurate?

Preferably not, yeah.

Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by Zambyte on Saturday July 20, 2024 @09:49PM (#41021751)
It is unreasonable when it has been reported multiple times, like the OP says they did before writing the article.
Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by jeffparsons on Saturday July 20, 2024 @07:24PM (#41020989)
So Google is presenting summary information in a way that very much implies comprehension, but without any comprehension of context — i.e. a name collision is enough to throw them off and result in unrelated pictures and bio being smashed together?

Seems pretty irresponsible of Google to do that. And also, just... kind of lame. Google is slowly but surely changing their image from "tech wizard" to "kind of a joke", and they have nobody but themselves to blame.

Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by tonynator on Saturday July 20, 2024 @07:52PM (#41021206)
It's AI-generated, like anything AI-generated you should not assume it's totally accurate. I would support some kind of disclaimer if it's not already there.
Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by surfingdino on Saturday July 20, 2024 @07:39PM (#41021111)
ChatGPT and any other LLM does the same thing, no?
Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by add-sub-mul-div on Saturday July 20, 2024 @07:56PM (#41021235)
Right, which is why their content generation has gotten a reputation for being slop and their answers have become synonymous with hallucination.
Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by advael on Saturday July 20, 2024 @08:04PM (#41021294)
Yes, it's likely an unmitigable problem with trying to aggregate information in this way. That's why the value proposition of a search engine is that it presents information from primary sources, rather than trying to summarize it. Finding resources on other people with the same name is unsurprising, having the AI conflate you as it presents an aggregate is misleading, and enough so to be a real problem
Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by add-sub-mul-div on Saturday July 20, 2024 @07:52PM (#41021209)
Right, which is why reasonable levels of humility and wisdom would keep an organization from expanding their mission from indexing documents to providing automated answers to questions.
Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by coliveira on Saturday July 20, 2024 @11:55PM (#41022253)
Their real mission is to sell ads on web pages. For this reason, they feel entitled to show web search as well as AI hallucinations.
Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by jjulius on Saturday July 20, 2024 @09:16PM (#41021608)
> Google provides a feedback form to resolve this type of bug. I filled it in several times, but it made no difference.

At this point they're certainly allowed to be surprised, annoyed (pick whatever word you want to describe it) that it's still happening. No need to be snarky, pal.

Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by spiderice on Saturday July 20, 2024 @10:04PM (#41021825)
> No need to be snarky, pal.

Interesting time to choose to be snarky.

Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by jjulius on Saturday July 20, 2024 @11:50PM (#41022239)
Was just using OP's own word choice ("pal") to highlight the unnecessariness of it. Given the current color of your comment, it seems like others have correctly picked up on what I was doing there. :)
Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by fortran77 on Saturday July 20, 2024 @09:22PM (#41021629)
I read the article and what I understood that a "knowledge panel/info box" popped up with this living man's picutre and a note saying he was deceased. It wasn't just an issue of several results coming up for a person with a common name.
Re:'Google says I'm a dead physicist': is the biggest search... by jfoster on Saturday July 20, 2024 @10:27PM (#41021915)
Is Google not able to predict the likelihood of a name collision as you just did? Is your solution to just continue showing incorrect information?