Assume they will be implemented by the most incompetent of bureaucrats (eg. months to get an appointment, buggy Oracle software).
Assume they will be implemented by the most nightmarish of your political opponents. Look for instance on rules for identification for voters in the southern USA. In theory that makes sense! In practice it's cynically implemented to systematically prevent certain demographics from voting.
The main advantage of UBI in practice is that it's no questions asked. Anything else about it can be replicated by fiddling with tax and welfare bracket numbers.
That's your respectable opinion, but the truth is: we don't know!
You may be right, you may be wrong, but this is the crux of the discussion and you cannot swipe it off by stating an opinion as a fact.
But isn't it a measurable factor? ... people get free stuff, people don't question their benefactor, people agree to rely on him, people become dependent beyond the extent of constructive codependence
People down on their luck would have to go through months of tribulations to prove they have the right to not starve, losing time not actually trying to climb out of their hole.
Also the point of UBI is that it is unconditional (The U stands for Univeral). It is supposed to be a simpler, fairer welfare system that allows everyone to focus on improving their lives instead of trying to survive.
- smarter future voters
- increasing participation in productive and constructive society
- more voices and more discussion
- eliminating the bias and discrimination against people who receive basic income
- eliminating small scale opportunities to lazycheat
- eliminate the continued rise of the currently too easily abused right leaning parts of the population
- ...
it will take time, of course
As long as it's not busy work I guess. I won't be surprised if those rules are poorly enforced though
I'd be okay with just giving people money, even if it's less than cost of living, since that will push some people back from the edge. It may be used as an excuse to stay in dying rural towns and vote against my freedom but hell that happens anyway...
Even digging holes in the ground and filling them up again is exercise.
So... for people who are overweight and out of shape (as measured by standardized fitness tests executed under the gaze of a well-trained A.I.), also require (say) two half-hour exercise sessions (also under the gaze of a well-trained A.I.).
>as measured by standardized fitness tests executed under the gaze of a well-trained A.I.
not everybody has passion projects, not everybody who had youth when he couldn't handle it, has money or peace of mind to go back to school, and a UBI won't hold you accountable. some people need to learn/ relearn how to take responsibility for themselves and a low end job where they learn the retarded rules of the hoarder-capitalist "we-run-on-magic-math-money" economy obviously isn't constructive or productive. if it was, the right / alt right wouldn't grow their follower base.
but yes, the implementation will need a huge bunch of devs and admin people who are technical, capable and, "under different circumstances, wouldn't work for so much less money than they earned during their previous employments"
Sounds to me like you've just created a massive labor shortage. What's next?
what you know as communism is some early access pre-alpha where half the code is duck tape polished with spit.
there is a convention to ignore that communism never organized. it wouldn't have anyway. too many corrupt humans. it's too bad humans didn't learn in time about emotional and cognitive exploits, sabotage of bias and fallacies and pseudo-dominance. only because of that did so many good men die in pointless wars. 'member how the smartest scientist & engineers were all for communism back in the day? that's because they understood machines and wanted to build for eternity. then the magic-money guys, who always lose against honest competition, came around and established their pseudo-dominant financial hierarchies and threatened and scared people and now we have planned obsolescence, "the right to repair", influencers and make-up that will make you look mid-chemo 70 before you are 40. hoarder capitalism, fuck yeah
- high school style tests, milestones and road maps to test study progress, good for citizen science but can be any subject, fugees start easy with the ABC
- social work including agriculture & farms, where the first year or two can count towards apprenticeship if combined with studies
solves low wages short-, mid-, long-term, increases buying power, creates jobs and tons of admin, org, bureaucracy work for those who dig it :)
make it enough to afford rent and healthy food and some culture per week. in Germany, that would be 1350 - 1500 per month, which is covered already, but the conditions are nonsense and lax.