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Re:Hans Hollein: Everything Is Architecture by hhshhhhjjjd on Monday June 24, 2024 @07:16PM (#40782194)
Why must people write using Man instead of Humanity? His instead of Our?

I get that it's "just language" but it's a bit annoying. That's all.

Re:Hans Hollein: Everything Is Architecture by helmutschmidt on Monday June 24, 2024 @08:01PM (#40782626)
In the original text it is "der Mensch" which translates to "man". It could also be translated to humans but it wouldnt be too accurate of a translation. It also doesnt help that the original is a text from 1967: https://www.hollein.com/ger/Schriften/Texte/Alles-ist-Archit...
Re:Hans Hollein: Everything Is Architecture by syntaxfree on Monday June 24, 2024 @08:22PM (#40782783)
To me “Man” has more of a “each and every” connotation. Compare

“Man must achieve this.”

“Humanity must achieve this.”

The latter is more of a collective emergent thing. And in some cases that leaves you with a diffusion of responsibility kind of passive feeling, while the former is a call to action.

Maybe it’s just my ear.

Re:Hans Hollein: Everything Is Architecture by outofpaper on Monday June 24, 2024 @10:08PM (#40783582)
It's more than just your ear. The way we use language to describe individuals versus groups highlights a divide between personal responsibilities and collective rights. All too often individuals use the group as a means to avoid personal responsibility.
Re:Hans Hollein: Everything Is Architecture by hhshhhhjjjd on Monday June 24, 2024 @10:20PM (#40783661)
Maybe I should re-translate this and replace each "man" with "woman" and each "his" with "her".

"Woman has achieved great things!"

I think it slaps even harder that way!

Re:Hans Hollein: Everything Is Architecture by outofpaper on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @07:01AM (#40786897)
You can if you want, but that ignores how one of the accepted definitions of "man" is humanity. If you're just swapping words without understanding their deeper implications, you might miss the point. It's not about the gendered language; it's about the collective achievements and struggles of all people.

So, are we really focusing on inclusion, or are we just playing word games?

Re:Hans Hollein: Everything Is Architecture by idontknowtech on Monday June 24, 2024 @08:42PM (#40782951)
It's typical for architect "manifestos". Makes them sound more serious and important than they are
Re:Hans Hollein: Everything Is Architecture by rexpop on Monday June 24, 2024 @09:12PM (#40783177)
We live under a patriarchy.
Re:Hans Hollein: Everything Is Architecture by rokhayakebe on Monday June 24, 2024 @10:43PM (#40783832)
It's language specific, I believe. I know in our African language we use Humans (niit) or Children of Adam (domu Adama) when referring humans and humanity.
Re:Hans Hollein: Everything Is Architecture by beacon294 on Monday June 24, 2024 @11:34PM (#40784191)
It's the english language tradition. There are style guides and such, but people are mostly working around them these days.
Re:Hans Hollein: Everything Is Architecture by fervor on Monday June 24, 2024 @11:43PM (#40784252)
What is annoying is your sensitivity. Let the author express pronouns and the like in their own preference.
Re:Hans Hollein: Everything Is Architecture by sho on Monday June 24, 2024 @11:59PM (#40784336)
Actually, "man" in this sense ("all humans") is descended from mann, an old english word that didn't specifically indicate male. It evolved to refer to males specifically later, although retaining its old inclusive meaning.

Also interestingly, the "man" in human is not related etymologically to man by itself.

So the author is actually correct, although the usage is a little archaic.

Re:Hans Hollein: Everything Is Architecture by yzydserd on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @02:15AM (#40785059)
Yes, “mann” was person. Not related to “human” which derived from Latin Hominem.

A wifmann was a “female person” and a “waeponmann” was a male person. Wifmann contracted to winmann to woman.

Re:Hans Hollein: Everything Is Architecture by pavlov on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @03:32AM (#40785552)
This usage persists in Swedish where “man” means both the human male and a generic subject for a passive tense, similar to how “one” or “you” works in English.

Man måste vara fri -> One must be free

Re:Hans Hollein: Everything Is Architecture by imperialdrive on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @01:07AM (#40784699)
I dunno man, but I tell ye what, he did just very that indeed. It's from 1968.
Re:Hans Hollein: Everything Is Architecture by wodenokoto on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @05:02AM (#40786151)
It’s from 1968. I think we can forgive old-time word usage.
Re:Hans Hollein: Everything Is Architecture by gumby on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @02:32PM (#40791883)
I agree, though the historic roots make "man" (for humanity) and "man" (male person) simply homonyms. They "sound" different in my head, the same way "homo" (Latin for male person) and "homo" (Greek for "same") feel very different to me.

In this case though it's likely simply an artifact of translation from the German word Mann.

Re:Hans Hollein: Everything Is Architecture by quonn on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @03:09PM (#40792327)
Perhaps you mean „man“ in German which means „one“. „Mann“ literally refers to a male person which doesn‘t really make sense here.

Both are pronounced identically.

Re:Hans Hollein: Everything Is Architecture by gumby on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @05:04PM (#40793578)
Yeah, I was typing on autopilot on my phone.