Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis...
by a1o on Friday June 21, 2024 @06:50PM
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It was through lending, this was due to a change of policy of lending during COVID-19 to ease access
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Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis...
by TylerE on Friday June 21, 2024 @06:53PM
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It lending done flagrantly in violation of the licensing. They were taking a copy licensed to be lent ONCE and giving it to thousands of people at once.
Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis...
by wrs on Friday June 21, 2024 @06:59PM
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You’re confusing the COVID “emergency lending” period (which was highly dubious, I agree) with their normal lending system. They track borrows against physical copies of the books stored in their warehouse. Typically you can only borrow a book for one hour before having to renew in the viewer.
Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis...
by badlibrarian on Friday June 21, 2024 @10:28PM
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Under discovery in the case it turned out that nope, they weren't doing that right either.
Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis...
by wrs on Friday June 21, 2024 @11:24PM
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True, but the judge's conclusion was "Even full enforcement of a one-to-one owned-to-loaned ratio . . . would not excuse IA’s reproduction of the Works in Suit." So even if they had done it right, this wouldn't have gone their way.
Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis...
by ladidahh on Friday June 21, 2024 @06:58PM
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their lending scheme is timed by hour with the option to renew with some restraints, it is not lending to thousands at once
Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis...
by TylerE on Friday June 21, 2024 @06:59PM
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Then why did they just get their ass royally handed to them in court?
Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis...
by jrmg on Friday June 21, 2024 @07:12PM
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Serious answer: it was judged that the act of scanning and delivering the book was ‘copying’ it - which copyright laws say they need permission to do. The whole ‘we only let one person at a time read it’ thing was deemed to be irrelevant.
Note that I’m not commenting on whether a reasonable person would also interpret copyright law this way, or on whether the laws are fair, just what the judgment was.
Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis...
by lukasb on Friday June 21, 2024 @07:04PM
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Because publishers are assholes.
Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis...
by zx8080 on Friday June 21, 2024 @08:00PM
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Are all "rich monopolists" the same?
Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis...
by wrs on Friday June 21, 2024 @07:00PM
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Because they didn’t pay publishers for separate “ebook” licenses.
Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis...
by Sakos on Friday June 21, 2024 @07:03PM
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Because the justice and political systems, particularly in regards to copyright, are deeply corrupt.
Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis...
by jachee on Friday June 21, 2024 @07:09PM
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Because billion-dollar capitalist rent-seeking bullies got their panties in a wad and threatened to bankrupt them with legal fees that the bullies wouldn’t even feel if they lost. And the archive is just a non-profit that were offering a not-for-profit service for the betterment of society, with literally zero actual negative consequences.
Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis...
by greyface- on Friday June 21, 2024 @07:35PM
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Trying to normalize a DRM system is not advancing the betterment of society. If IA wanted to be pro-social scofflaws, they should have published DRM-free epubs/PDFs/etc for download, copyright law be damned. If they wanted to be law-abiding, they should have declined to offer this service, and informed users of the existence of shadow libraries.
Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis...
by mike_d on Friday June 21, 2024 @07:14PM
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> taking a copy licensed
I'm curious what license applies when I buy a physical book, as a library does? Do you have a resource where I could learn more?