Re:TSMC experimenting with rectangular wafers vs. round for ...
by MrLeap on Friday June 21, 2024 @04:41PM
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Hexagonal chips when?
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Re:TSMC experimenting with rectangular wafers vs. round for ...
by ajb on Friday June 21, 2024 @05:04PM
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The problem with that is that you can't do it by making straight chord slices of the the wafer - each cut has to terminate or it will go through the middle of the next hexagon. But it does sound plausible - surely lasers could do this more easily than retooling the whole lithography pipeline for rectangular wafers. But you'd think they would have thought of the idea.
You could do triangular chips with straight cuts. But I that would divide the area more finely, which is the opposite of what they need.
Re:TSMC experimenting with rectangular wafers vs. round for ...
by azornathogron on Friday June 21, 2024 @05:54PM
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With chiplet based designs, how big are the individual chiplets? Would triangles make sense in that context?
(Asking from total ignorance)
Re:TSMC experimenting with rectangular wafers vs. round for ...
by ajb on Friday June 21, 2024 @07:30PM
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It varies, if you look at meteor lake [1] the different die go from 27..100 sq mm
(Compared to the h200 which is an insane 814 sqmm)
But I don't see any obvious advantage to small triangular die. Once the die are small if doesn't make much difference vs rectangular as to how many you can pack into a circle (for a given die area), and rectangle are much more convenient
Re:TSMC experimenting with rectangular wafers vs. round for ...
by lawlessone on Friday June 21, 2024 @05:20PM
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If we're suggesting shapes can I suggest one on the surface of pipe that wraps back around on itself? So I can run coolant through the middle.
Re:TSMC experimenting with rectangular wafers vs. round for ...
by themoonisachees on Saturday June 22, 2024 @02:07PM
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I mean. The idea sounds fun but doing photolithography on a pipe's surface sounds like absolute hell.
Re:TSMC experimenting with rectangular wafers vs. round for ...
by ipjrms on Saturday June 22, 2024 @06:18PM
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Hey, laser printers do it
Re:TSMC experimenting with rectangular wafers vs. round for ...
by themoonisachees on Monday June 24, 2024 @02:20AM
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That's fair enough.
Re:TSMC experimenting with rectangular wafers vs. round for ...
by HPsquared on Friday June 21, 2024 @05:44PM
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Reminds me of Soviet nuclear reactor designs, where the fuel rods were hexagonal (instead of the square Western ones).
Re:TSMC experimenting with rectangular wafers vs. round for ...
by dev_tty01 on Friday June 21, 2024 @05:06PM
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I would say never. Hex gives no advantage over round. Both have waste when dicing. Square gives the least amount of waste.
Re:TSMC experimenting with rectangular wafers vs. round for ...
by BitwiseFool on Friday June 21, 2024 @05:48PM
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Squares tessellate better than hexagons so I have no idea what advantage hexagons could bring.
Re:TSMC experimenting with rectangular wafers vs. round for ...
by s0rce on Friday June 21, 2024 @04:54PM
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seems hard to dice
Re:TSMC experimenting with rectangular wafers vs. round for ...
by haneefmubarak on Friday June 21, 2024 @04:55PM
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IO OR L4$ triangle tiles, main chip hexagons
Re:TSMC experimenting with rectangular wafers vs. round for ...
by pitaj on Friday June 21, 2024 @04:57PM
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It would only require double the cuts, right?