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Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by billconan on Friday May 31, 2024 @12:41PM (#40537264)
As someone who grew up in China, we were forced to do this exercises everyday at school. And yet, China has the highest myopia rate.
Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by hosh on Friday May 31, 2024 @01:25PM (#40537895)
Taiwan had something similar, found it it has to do with outdoor lighting (because many kids in both China and Taiwan stay indoors to study), and started a program to let kids play outside. Along with an early childhood intervention, myopia rates have been dropping.
Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by robwwilliams on Friday May 31, 2024 @10:07PM (#40542279)
One would need to control for brightness differences.

Light levels outdoors will generally be much higher. As a result, the pupillary diameter will be smaller (a higher f stop in camera terms) and the depth of field will be much deeper and allow higher spatial frequency “reading” with minimal physiological accommodation.

Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by rahimnathwani on Friday May 31, 2024 @01:04PM (#40537595)
ISTR reading that lack of time outdoors is one of the culprits.

This study wasn't conclusive: https://iovs.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2360831

Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by colinb on Friday May 31, 2024 @12:53PM (#40537429)
from the conclusion:

"Overall, the results suggest that eye exercises have limited to no efficacy in preventing or controlling myopia progression. Until robust evidence supports their efficacy, available evidence suggests retiring the eye-exercise policy."

Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by onemoresoop on Friday May 31, 2024 @12:53PM (#40537420)
Maybe these exercises help some people but myopia is largely hereditary. It's worth trying though, it's free.
Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by hosh on Friday May 31, 2024 @01:27PM (#40537917)
Turns out, myopia isn't hereditary. It has to do with dopamine interactions and the retina receiving outdoor lighting. When there is insufficient outdoor lighting, the retina starts growing in a different shape, leading to myopia. Just let the kids play outside.

I don't know if going outside more often will reverse it.

Astigmatism, on the other hand, may be hereditary.

Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by lucb1e on Friday May 31, 2024 @06:21PM (#40540938)
> Just let

I don't know about you, but in my case that would have been "just push". RCT1+2 was a lot more fun and even if I would play with the (often mean) village kids, they too were more into video games than ball games, albeit more something like Postal (rated for mature audiences, like ten years older than we were). There was some voluntary playing outside as well as inverse curfews imposed to make sure we don't only game and watch Pokémon inside at some age, but this notion of "just let them do what they enjoy" is so contradictory to my personal experience

Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by hosh on Friday May 31, 2024 @06:28PM (#40540988)
In China and Taiwan, where many kids are pushed to study more, outside play would be a treat. Although I don’t know about video games.

In the US, the complicating factor is that parents get in trouble for letting kids play unsupervised outside. Both custom and legislation discourages this kind of parenting. There is an advocacy group in the US trying to lobby for legislative protections for parents, so “just let them play outside” means something a bit different.

Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by lambdaxyzw on Friday May 31, 2024 @08:05PM (#40541561)
>Just let the kids play outside.

I did, most of my young life, and I'm still myopic. This can't be so easy

Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by thsksbd on Friday May 31, 2024 @09:00PM (#40541900)
At what time? Where? How much?

Did you play an hour a day during solar noon?

(It would actually be cool to see if myopia rates change along towns near a time zone border -> kids getting out of school during the brighter time of the day)

Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by hosh on Friday May 31, 2024 @09:35PM (#40542118)
They were comparing against kids in Australia. I forgot the exact details, but the policy developed was to add additional time during schools, and educating parents. Two hours a day cumulative, five day a week or something along those lines.

This isn’t something one has to spend a lot of time optimizing within certain latitudes, since there are benefits for kids being outdoors beyond halting progression of myopia. Although, if you think this can reverse myopia, it is worth biohacking.

If I recall, the article I read on this was posted on HN.

Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by hosh on Friday May 31, 2024 @09:39PM (#40542138)
It is about 20 hours of outside play a week, more or less, from early childhood, through tweens, teens, and into college. When you mean you did, most of your young life, was it about that much?

The second thing I would ask is if you have astigmatism or myopia. They are not the same thing.

The third thing is that the Taiwanese protocol included an early childhood intervention for a portion of the population. They have a test and an additional treatment. I don’t remember the details. If you have myopia instead of astigmatism, you might be one of those kids.

Lastly, there are still some kids who develop myopia anyways in Taiwan after establishing this program.

Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by robwwilliams on Friday May 31, 2024 @10:18PM (#40542337)
Did you read recreationally as a child? I did not read books until I was 13. Not one before 12—-mild dyslexia. Emmetropic though to my 70s. My kids were both heavy readers almost as toddlers, as was my wife. All are 8 diopters myopic. Saved by dyslexia ;-)
Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by robwwilliams on Friday May 31, 2024 @10:15PM (#40542317)
No, myopia is definitely PARTLY heritable. Over 100 regions of the human genome are known to contribute to myopia development.

Here is an excellent paper in Nature Genetics:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41588-020-0599-0

But you are right that environmental factors are also critical. Most types of myopia are modulated by gene-by-environmental interactions.

Lots of near-work is the number 1 culprit. But susceptibility to near work is a function of your genome.

Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by Anotheroneagain on Saturday June 01, 2024 @04:18AM (#40543866)
It's from poorly grown orbits from lead deficiency. Genetics only determines what defect it causes.
Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by theshackleford on Monday June 03, 2024 @03:50AM (#40560282)
> just let the kids play outside

I grew up rurally and can guarantee I spent more time outside than most. It was almost impossible to get me back inside. I’d leave early AM and go explore our until dark day after day, month after month year after year. Yet I still ended up with myopia (that started very young.)

Of course, I probably just got unlucky. Across a population it’s probably good advice, but it’s not a magic bullet and it’s not a guaranteed answer.

That being said if I was inside, I as almost guaranteed to have my nose in a book. Wonder if that had any impact despite my consistent exposure to outside.

Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by yorwba on Friday May 31, 2024 @02:46PM (#40538862)
Anything that is even slightly hereditary looks "largely hereditary" in the absence of environmental factors. That doesn't mean that large changes in environmental conditions cannot have a large effect on hereditary traits.

Body height is largely hereditary if you can avoid malnutrition. But improved nutrition has led to an increase in average height over time.

It's not improbable that spending ten hours a day indoors to study could have an effect on myopia in children, even if the variation among children who all study for approximately the same duration appears to be explainable by hereditary factors.

Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by User23 on Friday May 31, 2024 @08:38PM (#40541772)
> Body height is largely hereditary if you can avoid malnutrition. But improved nutrition has led to an increase in average height over time.

To be clear, good environment increases the phenotypical expression of genotype. A malnourished population will have lower height variance than a well-fed one ceteris paribus.

Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by robwwilliams on Friday May 31, 2024 @10:31PM (#40542396)
Do you have a reference for that? The variance of most traits will increase as the variance and volatility of the environment increases. My guess is that the variance in stature in countries like Holland and Sweden has actually decreased significantly over the last 100 years. Military recruitment records would be the place to start looking.

But I honestly do not know the answer. Perhaps I should ask an LLM. But this might be a goid place to start instead.

https://ourworldindata.org/human-height

Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by powersnail on Friday May 31, 2024 @01:15PM (#40537752)
> Maybe these exercises help some people

Similar studies have been conducted in China for multiple times, no clinically significant results were ever found. It probably doesn't help anybody, other than encouraging a short while of not using your eyes.

The guy who first invented the exercise basically just made it up from thin air, trying to fix his own myopia, which was a reasonable effort that didn't work out. But for some reason, it caught on in schools nevertheless.

Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by daveguy on Friday May 31, 2024 @01:01PM (#40537545)
It's only free if you don't value your own time.
Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by xpe on Friday May 31, 2024 @12:59PM (#40537527)
> It's worth trying though, it's free.

The above claim strays far from the way of logic. Follow that pattern of thinking, and you'll never run out of things to try.

Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by Anotheroneagain on Saturday June 01, 2024 @04:15AM (#40543848)
It's poorly grown orbits primarily from lead deficiency possibly also from iron poisoning (which blocks it, as well as several other metals) and the lack of other heavy metals.
Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by pants2 on Saturday June 01, 2024 @04:39AM (#40543965)
Sorry, lead deficiency??
Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by pynne on Saturday June 01, 2024 @05:21AM (#40544162)
Isn’t there a long history of heavy metal poisoning in traditional medicine? I’m actually a little surprised it’s not more common.
Re:Eye exercises for myopia prevention and control: comprehe... by rojeee on Saturday June 01, 2024 @11:26AM (#40546524)
I remember teaching in China nearly 20 years ago and all the kids did this. I thought it was so strange. Crazy music would come on between each class, which was the prompt to start “eye exercises”. They all stopped what they were doing and massaged their eyes and forehead for about two minutes. Then got back to doing whatever they were doing. Non-participation was punished.