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Re:Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior by ineedaj0b on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @06:04PM (#40517579)
Is there a cheap test for this? I don't wanna run out to my Dr. and seem like a complete nut but I do worry I got this. I am an absolute idiot
Re:Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior by retrac on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @06:31PM (#40517844)
There are antibody tests to show if you've ever had it, and approximately how intense/active the infection is. Mild latent and recent past infection is hard to distinguish apart from an antibody test alone. Decreasing antibody concentration over time = fighting it off successfully, or past infection fading away (probably). Antibody tests like that aren't terribly expensive. (Well under $100 here in Canada if uninsured.)

Direct testing for the parasite's DNA in the cerebral-spinal fluid (yeah, a spinal tap sorry) is sensitive, too. Attempting to detect it elsewhere (blood, etc.) works but isn't as reliable. This is more expensive but sometimes used when unsure. Otherwise, in combination with that, it's diagnosed symptomatically. It shows up on a brain scan if the lesions get big enough, not to be alarmist.

Re:Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior by Tijdreiziger on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @07:08PM (#40518188)
What are the symptoms?
Re:Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior by retrac on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @07:35PM (#40518406)
If it is not controlled by the immune system, it causes general neurological disorder, potentially severe (Parkinson-like, dementia, brain damage), and can start to invade other organs. This is uncommon except in people with serious immune dysfunction.

When an infection is latent, it's normally described as asymptomatic. But there is some reason to think, it might subtly affect humans neurologically in a similar way to how it seems to affect other mammals, like the wolves in this article. But this is controversial.

Re:Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior by quantified on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @09:44PM (#40519267)
Also, like many other things, possibly linked to depression.
Re:Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior by chasil on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @07:31PM (#40518378)
Symptoms of toxoplasmosis are only present in the immuno-compromised.

The behavioral changes are a different story.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis

Re:Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior by Tijdreiziger on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @07:41PM (#40518461)
I’ve always found the term ‘immunocompromised’ to be somewhat vague.

I use immunosuppressive medication to manage a chronic condition, so I assume my immune function is worse than someone not using such, but better than e.g. someone undergoing chemotherapy.

Does this make me immunocompromised or not? Or, where does it place me on the scale? What precautions should I take?

Re:Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior by jimmygrapes on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @10:21PM (#40519490)
You're also immunocompromised if you slept poorly or are dehydrated or malnourished (as many are, even if they don't know it). I agree that it's a poor blanket term.
Re:Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior by chasil on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @11:38PM (#40519841)
The question is how your medication interacts with "somatic hypermutation" which enables your dendritic cells to launch the cascade via t-cells which triggers antibody production by your b-cells.

It would be useful to understand how your medication interacts with this process.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lXfEK8G8CUI

Somatic hypermutation has a small discussion in the Kerzegast book.

I understand that somatic hypermutation, by the removal of uracil, plays two roles, first in initial recognition of a pathogen, then second in tuning the response for variants.

As I understand it, this only happens in germinal centers, the lymph nodes.

https://www.scribd.com/document/664375598/IMMUNE-by-Philipp-...

This is a question for an infectious disease specialist.

Re:Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior by chasil on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @11:42PM (#40519853)
Re:Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior by BitwiseFool on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @06:47PM (#40517984)
No need to test, just give me treatment.
Re:Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior by dvh on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @06:25PM (#40517784)
Are you attracted to cougars in your area?
Re:Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior by kbenson on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @07:15PM (#40518241)
No judgement here. If I was dating, that would be my dating pool...

In all seriousness, since this topic comes around every couple years, I've always wondered if we tested different populations of people based on career if we'd see some correlation. Cats are fairly ubiquitous across populations (but knowing if there's a higher prevalence in some would be important), so there's at least a chance for most people to be exposed I think.

Re:Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior by shagie on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @08:59PM (#40518990)
https://slate.com/technology/2010/07/could-a-brain-parasite-...

> Landon Donovan Needs a Cat

> Could a brain parasite found in cats help soccer teams win at the World Cup?

> ...

> If we set aside the qualifying rounds (in which teams can play to a draw) and focus on matches with a clear winner, the results are very compelling. In the knockout round of this year’s tournament, eight out of eight winners so far have been the teams whose countries had higher rates of Toxo infection. If we go back to the 2006 World Cup, seven out of eight knockout-round winners could be predicted by higher Toxo rates. The one exception to the rule was Brazil’s defeat of Ghana, a match between two nations that each have very high rates. (Aside from having the winningest team in World Cup history, Brazil has quite a few cases of Toxo: Two out of three Brazilians are infected.)

> It gets better. Rank the top 25 FIFA team countries by Toxo rate and you get, in order from the top: Brazil (67 percent), Argentina (52 percent), France (45 percent), Spain (44 percent), and Germany (43 percent). Collectively, these are the teams responsible for eight of the last 10 World Cup overall winners. Spain, the only one of the group never to have won a cup, is no subpar outlier—the Spaniards have the most World Cup victories of any perpetual runner-up.

... and yes, that that's not a science paper. Slate is far from being a paper hosted at NIH. ... so...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7928503/

> Potential linkage between Toxoplasma gondii infection and physical education scores of college students

> ...

> The overall seroprevalence of T. gondii was 11.5%. The main risk factors related to T. gondii infection in college students were cat in the household and gardening or agriculture activity. Furthermore, in the basketball group and the soccer group, scores of T. gondii seropositive students were significantly higher than those of seronegative students, while in other sports there was no difference between scores of T. gondii-infected students and T. gondii uninfected students.

Re:Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior by cm2012 on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @10:22PM (#40519498)
There's so much BS around toxoplasmosis online.

1) Almost everyone who has it got it from eating undercooked meat, not from cats. France has the highest rate of toxoplasmosis in the world because of their propensity for rare meats: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5312802/.

2) Unless your cat lived a long part of it's life as an outdoor cat, it is very unlikely to have the parasite (like any parasite).

Re:Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior by Scramblejams on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @11:42PM (#40519860)
I read your linked piece. It’s about pregnant women and toxoplasmosis and variations in treatments and outcomes in France and the US. I didn’t see anything about rare meats, and I only saw comparisons in infection rates among pregnant woman, women of child-bearing age, and infants in France vs US and a mention of South America when comparing type diversity. What am I missing?
Re:Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior by cm2012 on Thursday May 30, 2024 @08:46AM (#40523020)
Thank you for noticing, I pasted in the wrong link!

Corrected: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1118145/

Re:Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior by kbenson on Thursday May 30, 2024 @01:36PM (#40526449)
I'm not sure that says what you claimed?

Overall, eating raw or undercooked beef, lamb, or other meats; contact with soil; and travel outside the country were major sources of infection.

Contact with soil is from cats shedding oocysts, as covered earlier in the same extract, and while that doesn't necessitate owning a cat, I would classify it as exposure to cats (your neighbors outdoor cat shitting in your yard is still cat exposure to my sensibilities).

The association of cats and human toxoplasmosis is difficult to assess by epidemiological surveys because soil, not the cats, is the main culprit. Oocysts are not found on cat fur and are often buried in soil along with cat faeces. Therefore, direct contact with cats is irrelevant with respect to T gondii transmission, and soil contact is universal and difficult to avoid.

Which doesn't say cats don't matter, just that direct exposure doesn't matter. Soil exposure is exposure to cats through an intermediary, just not direct. It will still likely be affected by prevalence of cats in a population, even if not necessarily at a household level.

So, I think the article answers my original question to a degree, but I also think your claim that almost everyone that has it got it through eating meat with it in it is too strong given the sources you quoted (thanks a lot for posting them though, it's always nice to have data for a discussion!). If you think my reading of it is incorrect or I'm missing something, please let me know though.

Re:Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior by cm2012 on Thursday May 30, 2024 @02:24PM (#40527054)
Yes, that's more what I meant - there's almost no cases just from owning cats, it's from dealing with contaminated soil from stray cats. But the internet zeitgeist is "cat litter boxes give you toxo!" which is just not true the vast majority of the time.
Re:Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior by lkbm on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @06:10PM (#40517641)
Yes. I don't know exactly how cheap, but it's a big risk for pregnant women (not to have it, but to get infected while pregnant), so they have tests available, and it was affordable enough that my fiancee did it as part of her a prenatal screening.
Re:Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior by colechristensen on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @10:20PM (#40519486)
Something like a third of the world population is estimated to be infected. More like 1 in 10 in the US.

Two questions, why do you care and what is anybody going to do about it? (The answer to the second question is “almost certainly nothing”)

There was a now discontinued (US) blood pressure medicine called guanabenz which studies were showing some effectiveness against the latent stage, but it’s no longer available.

Re:Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior by vundercind on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @10:24PM (#40519510)
Reading about the treatments, good luck getting ahold of the medicine required to maybe kill a latent infection unless you’ve got some serious risk factors (like AIDS). And I didn’t check but I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re the kind of thing you don’t want to take unless you have to.

So knowing might not matter that much.