But trolls. Yes.

I have considered a technological solution. Haven't implemented it or tested it tho.

A solution I saw in the wild is at http://reddit.com/r/generative

You aren't taken seriously unless you can post good art. Which is a bar inconveniently high for the average troll.

Or maybe the subject just isn't spicy enough.

Anyway, I hate moderation. Goddamn totalitarian chucklefuckery.

I know that this is an uncommon view. There is an automatic faith in authority and convention that seems to be built into the DNA. Most have it. I don't.

(The worst moderation is of course moderation by downvote. Put the anonymous mob in charge. Ho ho)

(Let's not fool ourselves. We have moderators and downvotes, not because they work well, but because it's a convenient lesser evil)

I don't think this is correct - this is an extremely common view, in several senses of the word. It's especially popular among people who have never tried to use an unmoderated forum with more than a few members, and the sort of people who make moderation a necessity in the first place.

>because it's a convenient lesser evil

This is the true in the sense that pretty much all of society is a convenient lesser evil than "everybody agrees generally what the right thing is and does that all the time without exception".

Well, indeed. This is just anarchism vs. policing but for text. It gets re-litigated over and over again; different places move the boundary to different places. But very few dare to have no moderators or no police, and those that do are usually fairly immediate disasters. I'm sure you could find Bakunin quotes that accurately describe the moderation dilemma from 100+ years foresight, if you were so inclined.

A modern technologically enhanced refinement of that is the best that I can think of.

Moderation of bots and some content makes sites useable as long as everyone agrees what is OK and what is not OK. Thats how HN functions

This subreddit is actually moderated. And it contains a quite heavy handed rule:

> To avoid disappointment, do not post AI-generated work here.

Which is kinda absurd if you realize the direction generative art is going. (in 50 years, do you think the discussion between generative art with code vs generative art with AI will make sense?)

But, such a rule helps maintain the space on-topic and avoid re-litigating the AI discussion every time someone posts an AI-generated picture.

And you clearly have zero experience with generative art.

  * Spam
  * CSAM
  * Gore
  * Porn
  * Doxxing
  * Threats
  * Libel
  * Personal attacks
  * Racism/other 'isms'
  * Flamebait/ragebait
  * Advertisements
  * Insults
  * Duplicates
  * Off-topic
  * Low-effort commentary
  * Swearing
  * Tone/sarcasm
  * Memes
  * Concern trolling/sealioning/etc.

Why do you trust this authority?

As for trust - I'm not really sure what trust has to do with it. I evaluate communities based on their content, and what I don't see is often just as important as what I do. If I like it, I'll stick around - if I don't, or if it changes, I'll leave. The community is operated by the people in charge of it, it's theirs by default. Do you visit people's houses and refuse to take your shoes off because they're the "authority"? Seems like an odd thing to get hung up over.

So, why do you trust them to do that?

I mean, that's our difference here in a nutshell.

So stop dicking around the bush and just tell me.

The basic design is on purpose, but the backend doesn't match the front.

And God forbid javascript runs on the site hosting TFA, or it's behind a paywall, or it has too much whitespace or uses the wrong font or margins or there's a typo. Because if so, that is now the entire topic of conversation.

Compared to the entirety of Reddit, including all of the topic-specific, well moderated subs? Hacker News is unfortunately a dismal place to discuss most topics.

There are so many subreddits where great posts get lost, subreddits that don't allow commenting on old posts, being notified when old posts are updated, things like that. $Carforum has tags I can follow, just so many QOL features that reddit will never implement. You can sort subreddit by top, google search for something specific but all of those QOL improvements forums have lead to such better growing conversations. I guess reddit has flairs now that I think about it but I rarely see that used as a search mechanism.

With that said I absolutely hate having to sign up for forums. If they don't have a google/apple/whatever auth I can use there's a 70%+ chance I'll never make an account. And even then it's a consideration because you never know if after creating an account with an SSO you'll next be asked 20 questions, be limited from posting for X amount of time/karma (which does happen on reddit but less frequently IME).

Subreddits need .. sub-sub reddits or something similar. /r/$car/wheels, /r/$car/engine..

Also, as cliche as it is, I have never had a worse experience with moderators than on reddit. I used to be an ircop on efnet and none of us were anywhere near as rude and quick to assume the worst as my reddit experience.

I couldn't tell you how many birthday messages I get from 10-20 year old forums every year.

facebook: boomers posting cringe rightwing/normie (back in my day we worked hard!) stuff with occasional wholesome bits

reddit: millennials posting cringe leftwing/normie stuff (my dog might be gay, am i the asshole? btw i like ukraine) with occasional wholesome animal photos

I barely know a single person IRL outside of tech who uses reddit and I'm a millennial. Like, they know about it, and occassionally reference a post on it but they aren't on it anywhere near like my friends on instagram. My millennial friends are on instagram 24/7. I might make a story once a month and as soon as I post it I have 100+ people who have looked at it. And I have so many friends who post stories every single day. They're on it non-stop during any idle time.

Reddit has an atrocious new user experience. That's why Digg was so much more popular and reddit was incredibly niche until digg died. I didn't use reddit pre-digg-death because I had no idea how it worked it looked so confusing.

I gave up reddit after (although not because) I was banned for not riding a mod vigilantism hype train. If you're not part of the hive mind, you're really worse than nothing to them.

I could leave comment but I could not post to ask a technical question or share my own instax shots. My posts were just commented by a bot saying they were moved to a temporarily queue waiting for approval and later were deleted. No communication about rules that would apply, nor the reasons of the deletion.

I just never bothered anymore. To me reddit is pretty much a dead platform.

I tried to ask the same in the gbatemp. This time my post was just ignored by the community, which I guess is better than being deleted immediately.

3ds Discord community and iFixit communities did interacted with me.

There are tought times if you want to be part of a community that is more than memes.

All the really really big subreddits are well moderated, cordial, etc and nonetheless full of complete philistines with no taste.