https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HonestReporting

They also pressure HN to remove stories about Israel and been very successful in doing so, HN also plays their part in suppressing anti-Israel stories.

Because I can think of quite a number of stories over the years, and even in terms of this current conflict in the Middle East, where there were falsehoods in the fog of war or even intentionally seeded that turned out not to be true and many of the news organizations airing them initially only took stories down and didn't run front page denouncements of their own reporting.

I agree that retractions and in general journalistic integrity needs a bit more attention as a global society, but banning news organizations that print things you don't like is something I tend to associate with a very Stalinesque mindset and not a bastion of democracy and liberty.

In general, individuals and groups are bettered by exposure to naysayers than surrounded by yes-men.

But that the whole point. It's not just that Israel "don't like it". It's false claims.

> aren't sufficiently loud about retractions

And what if there are no retraction? only if the backlash is big enough? Like in the case where there were no hundreds of dead in a direct bombing but a 50 dead in a failed PIJ rocked on hospital:

https://archive.is/r6noB

and the same version today:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/16/israel-ha...

Almost every news agency got this wrong to some degree [1]. What matters is whether they corrected their story as new information arose.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/18/business/media/hospital-b...

What matters is how often this happens and what the response is when it happens. As far as I know, Al Jazeera is not significantly worse than anyone else here. There's a difference between "spreading misinformation" and "being wrong every once in a while".

The problem with sites like "honest reporting" is that they take these incidents, completely ignore (or outright defend) all the types their side has been wrong on this type of stuff, and then construct a narrative that "proves" that "the other side" is merely a malicious cluster of evil that seeks to spread evil for evil's sake. This is exactly the type of dehumanizing hyper-partisanship that got us in this mess in the first place.

And what if there are no retraction? only if the backlash is big enough? Like in the case where there were no hundreds of dead in a direct bombing but a 50 dead in a failed PIJ rocked on hospital:

https://archive.is/r6noB

and the same version today:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/16/israel-ha...

Also: why are you using two accounts? :-/

Sure, I would like to see something similar from Haaretz/Ynetnews where they believed Israel without critical due process. And did not retract in a consistent matter.

And the second account is my mobile (I like it separate)... that is why I gave them the same name.

The reason stated on why Hamas affirmed the rape story was false wasn't 'because it backfired and made civilians flee'. This never happened,and the justifications is too convoluted. No, they took a page out of IRA and ETA's: total transparency. They want people to believe what they say, and for that, you can't be caught lying. I don't know if it's recent or not, but that's also the reason why the death toll reported by Hamas is lower than the one expected by the US and most military intelligence. If a news is from a Hamas official spokesman, it's likely true (might be misleading, but always factually true)

Shame on Al-Jazeera to let liars on air, but to be fair, that 24h news for you.

What? They lie constantly! They just got caught. Here is what happened when BBC just reported them without checking:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67140250

And then when they apologized admitting they should have not speculate:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/19/israel-accuses...

Words are not knifes. People eventually will adapt to lies and weird things. And truth will find a way.

Because other alternative is just grim. As long as government can draw lines, it'll draw more of them, may be not today, but tomorrow, to "protect children" and "prevent terror".

  > Words are not knifes.

Much of the anti-Israeli sentiment seen across the globe, including murder, is the direct result of incendiary media lies. And those who spread the lies say without reservation that they do so "to arouse the nation's fervor and brotherhood". That is a direct quote and I encourage you to google it and click on whatever media outlet you trust.

I really see it differently that both ends are equally bad. After all, on the same night that the BBC announced 500 dead after the "bombing" at a hospital in Gaza, which turned out to be a Hamas missile that fell and killed at most 50 there... crowds took to the streets and created a threat to Israeli embassies around the world.

Debunked: https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/israeli-disi...

IDF has bombed the entirety of Gaza health infrastructure by now. It's odd they don't want us to believe they would be capable to bomb this particular hospital when they destroyed every single other one.

Not to mention they say they scraped al Jazeera for other incident which is ironic here, because the claim is they misreport

And I will add that everything they said is only based on the videos... The impact on the ground was consistent with PIJ/Hamas rockets and not Israel missiles.

So I will rather believe U.S. Experts/Western intelligence (which since did not report otherwise)... so no Debunking at all:

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-tries-to-back-u...

One destroys an entire mosque in the past:

[1] https://youtu.be/YszjqgUWdUo

But the same left a 1 meter crater in the hospital???? Just nonsense.

[2] https://youtu.be/VnAbV-ktbi8

As clearly stated in [3]: "More than half a dozen experts who independently reviewed imagery of the scene said the lack of major blast damage, such as collapsed buildings, as well as the relatively small size and shape of the crater, ruled out the possibility of the kind of airstrike Israel has carried out elsewhere in Gaza since Oct. 7."

[3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/10/26/gaz....

CNN: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/21/middleeast/cnn-investigat...

Economist: https://www.economist.com/interactive/the-economist-explains...

Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/18/al-ahli-arab-h...

WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/video/video-analysis-shows-gaza-hospital...

Also worth reading this document straight from Hamas: https://twitter.com/cogatonline/status/1774437234579558643

Also they do coordinate their fighting and if you read the last link also their propaganda

This is a pretty big part of the problem, yes.

After they fought and coordinated together, raped, massacred and kidnapped, I don't see the difference anymore

This would make all libel and defamation permissible.

This would make any type of business fraud permissible.

This would make it permissible to lie and fabricate documentation in order to target vulnerable populations for theft and fraud.

This would make identity impersonation (including of, say, law enforcement, medical, legal, or engineering professionals) permissible.

This would make it permissible to fabricate evidence for use in legal cases.

This would make it permissible to lie or fabricate evidence for sexual partners regarding STIs or contraceptive use.

Other than free speech zealots, you're not going to get anyone on board with rebuilding society so that we have to preemptively guard against all of these things, and have no recourse against bad actors.

In the meantime there could be a war [1].

[1] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/remember-the-maine-56...