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Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by vbezhenar on Sunday May 05, 2024 @04:38PM (#40268112)
My opinion is that freedom of speech must be absolute, despite all the issues and shortcomings coming with it. You must be able to speak, write, draw anything you like, without any limits.

Words are not knifes. People eventually will adapt to lies and weird things. And truth will find a way.

Because other alternative is just grim. As long as government can draw lines, it'll draw more of them, may be not today, but tomorrow, to "protect children" and "prevent terror".

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by dotancohen on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:09PM (#40268411)

  > Words are not knifes.
The pen, I remind you, is mightier than the sword.

Much of the anti-Israeli sentiment seen across the globe, including murder, is the direct result of incendiary media lies. And those who spread the lies say without reservation that they do so "to arouse the nation's fervor and brotherhood". That is a direct quote and I encourage you to google it and click on whatever media outlet you trust.

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by yonixw on Sunday May 05, 2024 @04:44PM (#40268170)
> Words are not knifes. People eventually will adapt to lies and weird things. And truth will find a way.

I really see it differently that both ends are equally bad. After all, on the same night that the BBC announced 500 dead after the "bombing" at a hospital in Gaza, which turned out to be a Hamas missile that fell and killed at most 50 there... crowds took to the streets and created a threat to Israeli embassies around the world.

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by bentley on Sunday May 05, 2024 @04:54PM (#40268257)
Correction: a PIJ rocket, not a Hamas rocket.
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by jolj on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @01:31PM (#40300761)
And it is different how? the point being is that incident was falsely blamed on the IDF while it was a Palestinian rocket misfire
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by Qem on Sunday May 05, 2024 @06:29PM (#40269168)
> which turned out to be a Hamas missile

Debunked: https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/israeli-disi...

IDF has bombed the entirety of Gaza health infrastructure by now. It's odd they don't want us to believe they would be capable to bomb this particular hospital when they destroyed every single other one.

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by yonixw on Sunday May 05, 2024 @07:44PM (#40269667)
Did you read it? It says at the end "what happened at al-Ahli remains inconclusive"

Not to mention they say they scraped al Jazeera for other incident which is ironic here, because the claim is they misreport

And I will add that everything they said is only based on the videos... The impact on the ground was consistent with PIJ/Hamas rockets and not Israel missiles.

So I will rather believe U.S. Experts/Western intelligence (which since did not report otherwise)... so no Debunking at all:

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-tries-to-back-u...

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by Qem on Sunday May 05, 2024 @08:31PM (#40269953)
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by yonixw on Sunday May 05, 2024 @09:26PM (#40270262)
Maher Arar is not an authority on this issue (same for me, same for you) as he is a telecommunications engineer. And all of his assumptions about missiles and air warfare in the article must have sources before used. Just like anything else, also in doppler equtions: garbage in, garbage out. But just look on the 2 videos he brings trying to claim it was a GBU-39 bomb:

One destroys an entire mosque in the past:

[1] https://youtu.be/YszjqgUWdUo

But the same left a 1 meter crater in the hospital???? Just nonsense.

[2] https://youtu.be/VnAbV-ktbi8

As clearly stated in [3]: "More than half a dozen experts who independently reviewed imagery of the scene said the lack of major blast damage, such as collapsed buildings, as well as the relatively small size and shape of the crater, ruled out the possibility of the kind of airstrike Israel has carried out elsewhere in Gaza since Oct. 7."

[3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/10/26/gaz....

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by foobarqux on Sunday May 05, 2024 @09:52PM (#40270401)
You can go to Youtube yourself and look at the size of a GBU-39 explosion.
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by adhamsalama on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:57PM (#40268867)
Do you have a source that it was a Hamas missile, or do you simply spread Israeli lies?
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by ceejayoz on Sunday May 05, 2024 @07:02PM (#40269417)
None of these actually say Hamas, and the Israelis even blame a different group; Palestinian Jihad.
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by jolj on Monday May 06, 2024 @01:48PM (#40277341)
Yes, this is actually PIJ, I was referring to the colloquial referral as Hamas to all Palestinian organizations in Gaza. Colloquial use that OP seemed to be using.

Also they do coordinate their fighting and if you read the last link also their propaganda

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by ceejayoz on Monday May 06, 2024 @07:20PM (#40280599)
> I was referring to the colloquial referral as Hamas to all Palestinian organizations in Gaza.

This is a pretty big part of the problem, yes.

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by jolj on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @01:28PM (#40300700)
It's not, before Oct 7 the PIJ was regarded as some different more extreme counterpart to Hamas.

After they fought and coordinated together, raped, massacred and kidnapped, I don't see the difference anymore

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by yonixw on Sunday May 05, 2024 @06:08PM (#40268960)
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by Marsymars on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:26PM (#40268582)
> My opinion is that freedom of speech must be absolute, despite all the issues and shortcomings coming with it. You must be able to speak, write, draw anything you like, without any limits.

This would make all libel and defamation permissible.

This would make any type of business fraud permissible.

This would make it permissible to lie and fabricate documentation in order to target vulnerable populations for theft and fraud.

This would make identity impersonation (including of, say, law enforcement, medical, legal, or engineering professionals) permissible.

This would make it permissible to fabricate evidence for use in legal cases.

This would make it permissible to lie or fabricate evidence for sexual partners regarding STIs or contraceptive use.

Other than free speech zealots, you're not going to get anyone on board with rebuilding society so that we have to preemptively guard against all of these things, and have no recourse against bad actors.

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by JumpCrisscross on Sunday May 05, 2024 @04:58PM (#40268302)
> Words are not knifes. People eventually will adapt to lies and weird things. And truth will find a way.

In the meantime there could be a war [1].

[1] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/remember-the-maine-56...