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Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by rightbyte on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:11PM (#40253999)
It seems like the fireing of the department was an extended punnishment of a manager that was not a 'team player'? Am I getting this right?
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by monetus on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:21PM (#40254041)
Seems so. That it has left their agreements with other car companies in some peril seems to have been an insane move to take, imo.
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by rightbyte on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:27PM (#40254061)
The move is so irrational that that admittedly gossip explaination makes perfect sense.

It is like watching some cartoonish dictatorship cleaning ranks.

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by threeseed on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:33PM (#40254103)
I think it was more a convenient excuse.

Tesla looks to not be on a financially strong course and so they needed to make major cuts somewhere. Supercharger network is probably okay for now.

Just a shame they continue to bet their company on Robotaxi for which there is no evidence will be a good business even if the technology works.

They need to focus more on refreshing their existing models and overall better customer satisfaction.

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by whamlastxmas on Saturday May 04, 2024 @01:04PM (#40258924)
There’s no evidence that ride services make money and are in high demand? Someone better tell Lyft and Uber so they can close shop
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by jantissler on Saturday May 04, 2024 @04:19PM (#40260024)
Uber and Lyft are not in the robotaxi business. And yes, a lot of these gig companies barely make any money as it is. Most lose money. They basically just hope to be the last one standing and to then rack up prices to a profitable level.
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by whamlastxmas on Sunday May 05, 2024 @09:52AM (#40264908)
It’s the same demand no matter who’s driving
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by rightbyte on Saturday May 04, 2024 @07:13PM (#40261052)
"Uber makes first operating profit after racking up $31.5bn of losses"

https://www.ft.com/content/dae2b90e-1ba0-4e8f-aabc-34aae4ca0...

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by whamlastxmas on Sunday May 05, 2024 @09:53AM (#40264915)
This is too tiring and obvious to give a real response
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by jibe on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:40PM (#40254136)
This suggests that Tesla doesn’t have an established method of contact for all of its suppliers

This is the big first “remarkable” piece of evidence? This seems very typical.

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by droopyEyelids on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:42PM (#40254152)
Any big company’s SAP/oracle/dynamics system should absolutely have a list of active suppliers and tge contacts at those suppliers
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by TheAlchemist on Friday May 03, 2024 @11:41PM (#40254616)
From what I've read, Tesla has developed all of it's internal software - for CRM but ... also for accounting.

And it seems that a lot of information is heavily restricted. It's a major red flag. Especially when the CEO may be one of the last senior people left having access to some material information, and said CEO is a drug addict with a very documented history of lying.

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by uejfiweun on Saturday May 04, 2024 @02:07AM (#40255298)
Wow. You'd think that they'd cut these software teams that keep reinventing the wheel, rather than the supercharger team.
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by recursivegirth on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:57PM (#40254203)
We get audited for SOC2 and have to maintain a list of our vendors.
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by TheNewsIsHere on Friday May 03, 2024 @11:30PM (#40254570)
Right. Even if you aren’t in a regulated area (of any kind), if you have any sort of reasonably sophisticated accounting software you should _at least_ be able to produce a list of businesses with which you exchange money and go from there.

A car manufacturer? How is that not an already built report on the ERP? Even if it is Tesla we’re talking about. My small business has three digits of records in the “Partners” table in our ERP and we can produce an Excel spreadsheet of all our vendors + contact info in less than two minutes.

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by GianFabien on Friday May 03, 2024 @11:00PM (#40254474)
The elephant in the room is whether Elon's recreational pharmaceuticals are affecting his decision making.
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by steveBK123 on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:29PM (#40254070)
If this results in Tesla superchargers degrading to the level of the typical US charging network, EVs are in for some (more) pain.

I have to imagine the order book looks bad and so he is panicking about next quarters financials with the drafting moves he is making.

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by twoWhlsGud on Monday May 06, 2024 @05:42PM (#40279824)
And I can't imagine this isn't going to make the order book look worse. I'm currently cross shopping Tesla with other EV's and plug-in hybrids and this announcement has me pretty much dropping the idea of getting a Tesla. If the supercharger network stops growing and being properly maintained it's going to become just another overburdened unreliable system. At that point the model Y's idiosyncrasies (eg limited physical controls and no CarPlay) overwhelm the advantages that the charging network previously brought.
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by steveBK123 on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @11:32AM (#40299259)
Cross shop with the i4, Ioniq5/6, id4, MachE.. etc
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by afavour on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:34PM (#40254107)
I have to imagine another EV company will be very happy to hire the exec Musk fired along with the staff of their choosing. Or maybe the EV companies could all throw cash into an independent charging company? Either way this infrastructure is too important (and long term, too lucrative) for someone to not get involved.
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by wakawaka28 on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:55PM (#40254193)
The car industry is not doing amazing now, especially with EVs and hybrids that are unpopular and consumers tightening their belts.
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by ohnoitsahuman on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:07PM (#40253985)
Sounds like the supercharger team didn't have a good project management system.

Any large entity that doesn't know the contract status, percent complete, and vendor status for it's construction is wacked.

Either the new people don't know where the info is stored, or the old people were indeed incompetent and needed to be fired.

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by hehdhdjehehegwv on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:09PM (#40253991)
Or maybe if you fire EVERYBODY there’s no one to onboard new people, or even anybody left who has a login.

Elon needs to go, EV adoption is an important goal for species survival, he’s actively damaging those goals now - even if he did help kick off the revolution he’s now more net negative than positive as a CEO.

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by haileys on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:29PM (#40254072)
No. EV adoption is an important goal for the car industry's survival.

If we're talking about the species' survival, I sure hope we can adopt a broader vision than taking a land-hungry and energy-intensive mode of transport, and changing nothing about it except for making it run on batteries.

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by imperialdrive on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:38PM (#40254130)
Thank you for raising that, we need less cars! (More bicycles and related infrastructure would be nice) :D
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by hehdhdjehehegwv on Friday May 03, 2024 @10:18PM (#40254281)
Less cars is a worthy goal for some people in some places for some activities, and works in tandem with making the cars we do have better.
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by davidcbc on Saturday May 04, 2024 @09:00AM (#40257352)
83% of the US lives in urban areas and the US has the highest transport emissions in the world.

"This doesn't work for literally everyone so let's do this other thing that isn't as good"

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by ta_1138 on Saturday May 04, 2024 @02:06AM (#40255289)
Bicycles win when the level of density is still relatively low. If we are serious about efficiency, bikes don't make that more sense. Sufficient density so that most activity can be done on foot, and the rest is mass transit.
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by hehdhdjehehegwv on Friday May 03, 2024 @10:17PM (#40254276)
Tell it to the large percentage of humanity who doesn’t live in a city; many of whom grow the food you eat, and ship it to your local shop in a truck.

There is no one-shot solution, motorized vehicles are not going away, but switching to EV is an absolute must.

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by threeseed on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:37PM (#40254122)
At this point I am not sure EVs are the best option in short to medium term.

Outside of the US there is still a legitimate fear of range anxiety made worse by Musk's announcement.

It seems to me that widespread deployment of hybrids where 95% of daily driving is done on batteries is a more workable approach.

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by haileys on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:45PM (#40254162)
Yes, a smarter mix of options is the way to go. Cars are a one-size-fits-all approach that can't hope to achieve what we need for a sustainable future.

In Perth, Australia, two thirds of all car trips are for distances of less than 5 kilometers. Using cars for these trips is both irrational and a hopelessly profligate use of resources, regardless of how they're powered.

5 kilometers is the kind of distance where even pedal bicycles are competitive with cars in terms of trip time, especially once you factor in traffic. And e-bikes are only getting cheaper and more accessible too.

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by dgoldstein0 on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:56PM (#40254198)
Inside the us there's also quite a bit of range anxiety. It's one of the larger adoption hold ups.

That and price.

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by financetechbro on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:38PM (#40254132)
Patiently waiting for a train revolution
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by hehdhdjehehegwv on Friday May 03, 2024 @10:20PM (#40254294)
California high speed is happening slowly but surely. I think by 2030 the Central Valley will have a real HS line, and while that leaves out SFB/LA, Central Valley is fastest growing population.

Likewise the LA/Vegas line looks like a real money maker on paper.

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by fmobus on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:30PM (#40254082)
> EV adoption is an important goal for species survival

Private transportation will always be unsustainable, regardless of power source. More ambitious goals are necessary.

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by matthewdgreen on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:36PM (#40254120)
EV transportation is a gateway to large-scale renewable energy storage, so even if you dislike private transportation this is actually pretty damn useful. On the other hand the (mostly Chinese) battery suppliers seem to have entered the fast part of the S-curve, so maybe Tesla isn't critical anymore -- except maybe to the competitiveness of the US in these areas.
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by fmobus on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:35PM (#40268665)
> if you dislike private transportation

not a dislike, but a principled and objective position. Future investment in that modal should be zero.

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by afavour on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:20PM (#40254034)
If what you’re saying was true (which I doubt) the responsibility will still fall on Musk, both for having let the situation go on for as long as it did and for laying off all the workers with absolutely no contingency plan.
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by netsharc on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:37PM (#40254124)
Gotta love the Elon apologist trying to twist things so the almighty Elon is never wrong. At least he's probably convinced himself that Elon is still the GOAT.
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by rightbyte on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:35PM (#40254114)
Like I would read some Jira and get up to speed. Hit the road running.

Even with the most competently run department it would take months to get a grasp on their projects.

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by stubish on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:31PM (#40254089)
New people? Do you honestly think they have replaced an entire team in the few days since firing the last one? Only people in the building able to log into the project management system are likely Elon and the sysadmins.
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by riku_iki on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:10PM (#40253993)
> the old people were indeed incompetent

or were building job security, since there are troubles to replace them now

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by bhouston on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:33PM (#40254104)
Could it be that Elon didn't appreciate that the head of the Tesla supercharger division had gotten other car companies to adopt the Tesla charger standard? Basically helping other competitor car companies tap into the Tesla network?
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by Gud on Saturday May 04, 2024 @01:11PM (#40258962)
No, this was always the plan to let other car manufacturers use the superchargers
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by riffic on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:06PM (#40253978)
99.95% uptime of what specifically and what value is there in chasing more 9s?
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by peutetre on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:17PM (#40254028)
Tesla's definition of a site being 100% up is at least half the plugs working on a given day. If 50% of the plugs are working then Tesla deems the site to be 100% up.

So 99.95% uptime sounds better than it is.

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by langsoul-com on Saturday May 04, 2024 @02:06AM (#40255290)
Nobody wants to go to a charging site only to find they don't work.

Same story for petrol stations. The only difference is petrol stations have been around for a very long time so already dealt with the reliability problem. Ev charging stations have room for adjustment.

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by Red_Leaves_Flyy on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:06PM (#40253979)
The email:

>To all concerned:

>You may be aware that there has been a recent adjustment with the Supercharger organization which is presently undergoing a sudden and thorough restructuring. If you have already received this email, please disregard it as we are attempting to connect with our suppliers and contractors. As part of this process, we are in the midst of establishing new leadership roles, prioritizing projects, and streamlining our payment procedures. Due to the transitional nature of this phase, we are asking for your patience with our response time.

>I understand that this period of change may be challenging and that patience is not easy when expecting to be paid, however, I want to express my sincere appreciation for your understanding and support as we navigate through this transition. At this time, please hold on breaking ground on any newly awarded construction projects and planned pre-construction walks. If currently working on an active Supercharging construction site, please continue. Contact [email redacted] for further questions, comments, and concerns. Additionally, hold on working on any new material orders. Contact [email redacted] for further questions, comments, and concerns. If waiting on delayed payment, please contact [email redacted] for a status update. Thank you for your cooperation and patience.

lol

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by Lammy on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:05PM (#40253968)
Saved you a click

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To all concerned:

You may be aware that there has been a recent adjustment with the Supercharger organization which is presently undergoing a sudden and thorough restructuring. If you have already received this email, please disregard it as we are attempting to connect with our suppliers and contractors. As part of this process, we are in the midst of establishing new leadership roles, prioritizing projects, and streamlining our payment procedures. Due to the transitional nature of this phase, we are asking for your patience with our response time.

I understand that this period of change may be challenging and that patience is not easy when expecting to be paid, however, I want to express my sincere appreciation for your understanding and support as we navigate through this transition. At this time, please hold on breaking ground on any newly awarded construction projects and planned pre-construction walks. If currently working on an active Supercharging construction site, please continue. Contact [email redacted] for further questions, comments, and concerns. Additionally, hold on working on any new material orders. Contact [email redacted] for further questions, comments, and concerns. If waiting on delayed payment, please contact [email redacted] for a status update. Thank you for your cooperation and patience.

Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by alexey-salmin on Saturday May 04, 2024 @02:27AM (#40255394)
Why on earth is this flagged?
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by Sakos on Saturday May 04, 2024 @03:50AM (#40255773)
I'm confused too. The article is fine.
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by TheLoafOfBread on Saturday May 04, 2024 @06:04AM (#40256348)
Likely $TSLA investors present in HN crowd.
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by davidcbc on Saturday May 04, 2024 @08:52AM (#40257301)
Articles critical of Tesla are frequently highly voted and yet flagged or not on the first page. Elon stans cannot handle any criticism
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by whamlastxmas on Saturday May 04, 2024 @01:02PM (#40258917)
It’s more likely discussion similar to this that people get tired of. And I include my own comment in that statement
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by ailurooo on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @04:17PM (#40359675)
because hn mods refuse to give bad light to tesla and israel, perhaps to avoid a flame war, perhaps to support their own bottom line. idk i just have a rss feed turned on to ingest new posts before they get yanked, and have a hn account with the option to see shadow banned accounts turned on.. and that mostly deals with this..
Re:Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Su... by lamontcg on Monday May 06, 2024 @11:23AM (#40275739)
> We have heard from several sources who told us that the reason for these firings is because Rebecca Tinucci, former head of Tesla’s EV Charging division, resisted Musk’s demand to fire large portions of her team.

A woman stood up to him, so he fired her and her entire team?