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Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by SECProto on Thursday March 28, 2024 @10:25PM (#39859953)
> Painting an entire machine, instead of just the panels that need it, takes time and wastes energy.

As someone who lives in a location that heavily salts the roads, I am not looking forward to a car where a designer living with california weather decides which few parts of the body "need" it... The same causes issues with model 3 door handles that get coated in ice and need to be melted before they can be opened (ice storms usually happens a couple times a winter)

Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by hangonhn on Thursday March 28, 2024 @11:37PM (#39860433)
This exact thought crossed my mind when my friend took their Tesla Model X to Lake Tahoe. As soon as the gull wing doors opened all the snow from the top of the car fell straight down into the cabin. Oh right. Tesla Model X was probably designed by someone who don't regularly experience snow...
Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by dzhiurgis on Friday March 29, 2024 @04:32AM (#39861807)
They don’t handle sun very well either
Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by mattmaroon on Thursday March 28, 2024 @10:45PM (#39860059)
The door handles are fucking awful in the snow. At least heat them so they melt the ice.
Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by SECProto on Thursday March 28, 2024 @11:17PM (#39860306)
I haven't had one so I can't directly weigh in, but up here, winter = physically pulling hard on door handles to get the seals to unstick. I can't imagine something like cybertruck (no handles at all) working in real winter.

I'm hopeful for Tesla to release their 25k car, and I'm really hoping for my car to last a couple years longer so I can get something from a different manufacturer that realizes some design standards have good reasons behind them.

Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by dghlsakjg on Friday March 29, 2024 @10:26AM (#39864497)
The good news is that the panel gaps are big enough that you can get your hands in there to pull the door open!
Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by vel0city on Friday March 29, 2024 @11:15AM (#39865071)
I've got a Mach E, it has similar "push the button and the door pops open a bit" style of opening. I had it outside during a sleet storm where it got a good layer of ice on it. I just pressed the button on the door and it managed to break the ice and open just fine.

The door openers can have a good bit of force behind them.

Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by hooverd on Thursday March 28, 2024 @10:54PM (#39860125)
Say what you will about BYD but at least they have door handles.
Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by mattmaroon on Thursday March 28, 2024 @11:14PM (#39860281)
I really don’t understand it. How many MPGe could door handles subtract? 1? Is it even that much?

Is it aesthetics? I don’t think theirs look any better. And they feel flimsy AF. They give you nothing to hold onto when manipulating the door. Even if they didn’t freeze, I just don’t like them.

So we’re going to make this more complicated, more failure prone thing that looks and feels worse for no real benefit?

The worst part is that other EVs are adopting it.

Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by Solvency on Friday March 29, 2024 @12:08AM (#39860599)
It's Elon. Do you really have to ask? It's the most braindead, arrogant, Elon Musky possible decision.
Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by pandaman on Friday March 29, 2024 @11:25AM (#39865207)
It's not Elon. Many other EVs have the similar handle-less design. E.g. Mustang Mach, Hyundai Ioniq/ Kia EV, Lucid Air, etc.
Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by jen20 on Friday March 29, 2024 @12:29PM (#39865965)
Recessed door handles to avoid MPG impact was a solved problem by the Fiat Panda, at least (probably earlier!) - the only rationale is cost, or meme copying.
Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by dzhiurgis on Friday March 29, 2024 @04:34AM (#39861816)
It all compounds. Lower mpge > increased range > less battery weight > increased range + lower cost.
Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by dghlsakjg on Friday March 29, 2024 @10:29AM (#39864526)
So why are the tires super wide on Teslas, with consequently high rolling resistance?

The door handle is a gimmick, afaict, with so much other low hanging fruit in the design.

Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by dzhiurgis on Friday March 29, 2024 @04:24PM (#39868616)
No one wants an anaemic Tesla either.
Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by SECProto on Saturday March 30, 2024 @01:33PM (#39876820)
I would much rather drive an anemic Tesla - skinny cheaper tires, lighter so easier to change myself.
Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by etempleton on Saturday March 30, 2024 @01:24PM (#39876733)
Because the cars are heavy and with have high torque. They need the extra grip to have those insanely low 0-60 times.
Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by wyre on Friday March 29, 2024 @12:16PM (#39865811)
>1?

My hunch says less than that. Door handles have more physical moving parts which are going to increase costs and we know Tesla loves to do anything they can to keep those down.

Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by Eddy_Viscosity2 on Friday March 29, 2024 @07:53AM (#39862938)
Honda had this problem many years ago where the bodies just rusted out. They fixed this by changing their entire process to apply a coating everywhere. Lessons learned in the past ignored in the present.

Elon is probably only thinking about the use-case on Mars where a lack of atmospheric oxygen will mean corrosion isn't such a major factor.

Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by gagaJo on Friday March 29, 2024 @10:46AM (#39864711)
Charitable take on Elon’s powers of foresight. Not so sure he thinks much further out than tomorrow.
Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by throwaway11460 on Friday March 29, 2024 @12:45PM (#39866149)
If he can get so far while thinking only about tomorrow, he's the absolute genius. Can't even imagine what he could do if he thought a week in advance.
Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by Terr_ on Friday March 29, 2024 @01:35PM (#39866794)
Ah, but are we talking about how far in advance someone plans for their own benefit, or is it how far in advance they think of the needs of customers and stakeholders? Those two values are frequently different.

I think we're on something like year 7 of Musk promising perfect self-driving cars in one more year.

Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by throwaway11460 on Friday March 29, 2024 @01:48PM (#39866930)
We are also in year 9 of self-landing rocket boosters launching 100 times a year reused 10+ times, on the other hand.

Or that's the work of SpaceX team and not Musk? So when it fails it's Musk and Musk only, but when it succeeds it's not Musk at all?

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Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by throwaway11460 on Friday March 29, 2024 @02:20PM (#39867293)
Where's yours then?
Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by gagaJo on Friday March 29, 2024 @05:33PM (#39869254)
Ah yes, one primate demanding proof from another, projecting authority they don’t have in doing so

Mine is in my bank account; bought Apple @ $7-9/share, before Jobs returned, Dell at $4/share, etc, sold others on buying tickets to hype train the last 27-28 years

Give money to others and let them make you rich. It’s not hard. You take a naive group of youth and project authority at them about how the world works.

We did it with religion, university, nation state economics/currency propagation schemes, technology… circle of life Simba.

Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by throwaway11460 on Friday March 29, 2024 @09:01PM (#39870801)
I bought AMD for $3 and Nvidia for $90. I got lucky, you got lucky.

Building companies is much more work than a lucky trade or two.

Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by throwup238 on Friday March 29, 2024 @11:29AM (#39865268)
> Lessons learned in the past ignored in the present.

It's a lot easier to move fast and break things when you ignore that.

Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by greedo on Friday March 29, 2024 @11:36AM (#39865345)
I wonder if Elon's wonder cars will experience cold welding on Mars?
Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by dogma1138 on Friday March 29, 2024 @03:05PM (#39867768)
Not just Hondas but many other Japanese cars mid 2000’s to mid 2010’s Mazdas are notorious for having their underside rot out from rust.
Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by indolering on Sunday March 31, 2024 @01:40AM (#39881745)
Yeah, the stainless steel panels of the Cybertruck are not stainFREE. Adding a clear coat to the base model would prevent a lot of disappointment.
Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by denimnerd42 on Friday March 29, 2024 @11:18AM (#39865113)
surely they are still e-coating these vehicles
Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by thebruce87m on Friday March 29, 2024 @03:42PM (#39868168)
The app has a button to open the drivers door. Yes, still stupid not to have normal handles or a way to open the passenger doors, but not as bad as the TikTok videos make out.
Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by FireBeyond on Friday March 29, 2024 @06:27PM (#39869672)
"To open your car door in inclement weather, go to your phone, remove your gloves, open the Tesla app, bring down your mask for FaceID, and then swipe a couple of times and hit open driver door."

> but not as bad as the TikTok videos make out

I think we have different bars for "not as bad".

Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by thebruce87m on Friday March 29, 2024 @06:42PM (#39869807)
> I think we have different bars for "not as bad"

We probably don’t, but you’ve gone out of your way to misrepresent my comment so I don’t know where to go from here. Edit: and not the first time you’ve done this to one of my comments in recent times either.

Here is the exact video I meant. They don’t seem to be wearing gloves either. https://www.tiktok.com/@ddcustomz/video/7068406130653170991?...

Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by SECProto on Friday March 29, 2024 @08:40PM (#39870646)
I'm even more against apps than I am against motorized door openers.
Re:Tesla's $25,000 Car Means Tossing Out the 100-Year-Old As... by RecycledEle on Friday March 29, 2024 @09:21PM (#39870934)
Getting batches of paint right so every single blue pannel looks like every other blue pannel will NOT go the way they think it will. There will be legendary color mismatches, and it will be hilarious.