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Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by Aeolun on Thursday March 28, 2024 @06:46PM (#39858329)
> About how unapologetic and manipulative he is. About his willingness to gamble with other people's money.

This describes most bankers? They’re generally smarter in that they work for an organization that dillutes responsibility for their crimes.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by tremon on Thursday March 28, 2024 @06:56PM (#39858424)
That's why most bankers are subject to all the laws that SBF didn't like.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by crotchfire on Friday March 29, 2024 @04:12AM (#39861696)
Like Bernie Madoff?

Yeah that worked out great.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by badpun on Friday March 29, 2024 @06:40AM (#39862501)
Madoff wasn't a banker.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by ushtaritk421 on Friday March 29, 2024 @06:50AM (#39862553)
Bernie Madoff did die in prison, so there’s that.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by rsr on Friday March 29, 2024 @08:21AM (#39863165)
He died in prison. I don't know how much more subject to laws you can possibly get.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by sob727 on Thursday March 28, 2024 @08:17PM (#39859104)
If you're aware of a financial crime, please report it to the SEC or one of the other financial regulators through their whistleblower hotline. You may be in for a big payday.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by iopq on Friday March 29, 2024 @02:53AM (#39861339)
They are smart enough to make all their grifts "fees" and "interest rates"

For example, charging 17% on a credit card bill when the interest rate is 5.25%

and that's on excellent credit like mine where I haven't missed a payment in almost 20 years

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by jstummbillig on Friday March 29, 2024 @03:09AM (#39861408)
There are important distinctions between fraud and greed. For one, you can know the conditions.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by sob727 on Friday March 29, 2024 @06:25AM (#39862428)
If you think the terms are unfair to you, you have the option to not do business with this particular bank. If all banks do the same, have you thought there's a financial reason behind it that you might not be aware of (say, default rate, operational costs, etc).
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by iopq on Friday March 29, 2024 @12:39PM (#39866063)
for people with credit over 800 the default rate must be extremely low

otherwise I wouldn't have this credit rating and the bank wouldn't trust me with over $100,000 credit limit combined over all of my credit cards

the reason I agree to this rate is because I never pay it, I loan from my broker instead where I pay like a few bips over LIBOR

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by jjav on Friday March 29, 2024 @02:03PM (#39867125)
> They are smart enough to make all their grifts "fees" and "interest rates"

> For example, charging 17% on a credit card bill when the interest rate is 5.25%

That's not fraud or a financial crime though, since the interest rate is prominently shown on the front page of every credit card bill.

If they're telling you it is 6% and then charge you 17% without explanation, that would be fraud.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by iopq on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @02:07AM (#39914137)
For example, payday loans are explicit in saying they will charge you a percentage of your payday for a 14 day loan. But if you do the math, it's about 1000% interest annually

It's not a crime either, but it's predatory

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by Grustaf on Saturday March 30, 2024 @02:09AM (#39872288)
Selling an expensive product or service is very different from committing fraud or stealing. There are plenty of practices within banking that are a lot more immoral than charging high fees.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by ThrowawayTaco12 on Monday April 01, 2024 @06:59AM (#39892743)
I am aware of at least 2, I'm not in the U.S. , to disclose one crime I'd have to breach confidentiality and the most likely outcome would be that the bank would get a slap in the wrist or even nothing, meanwhile I'd be sued to oblivion and it would ruin my life (the same happens with some other crimes I know about, I once tried an anonymous tip about some grifting in the military and instead of taking it they said they went fully hostile and said they'd trace my call !!).

The other one I didn't have enough proof, apparently someone else did tip the authorities and the shady payday loan company is getting a slap in the wrist. Not exactly something to instill confidence in our justice (and my country is one of the least corrupt ones!)