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Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by Oarch on Monday February 05, 2024 @06:47AM (#39260180)
These numbers imply 4.5% of the entire UK population had an active GitHub account in Q3 2023. Seems very high.

Unless there are people out there with huge numbers of accounts? Can anyone explain this?

Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by codingdave on Monday February 05, 2024 @08:12AM (#39260883)
I end up with a new account at every gig I work. I don't even remember them all. Maybe this is bad practice on my part, and I should be shutting them down when a job ends, but I just like the separation of personal vs. work accounts.
Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by em-bee on Monday February 05, 2024 @09:34AM (#39261602)
i actually think it is good practice. if there is any issue with the gig, they eg try to force you to hand over access to the account, or someone is breaking into your github account then you don't expose all your other work.

there may be an issue with github TOS not allowing more than one free account per person though. i don't know if that is still the case, but then i would get a paid account for each paid gig and just add it to the bill.

Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by progval on Monday February 05, 2024 @10:12AM (#39262013)
> there may be an issue with github TOS not allowing more than one free account per person though. i don't know if that is still the case

it is: https://docs.github.com/en/site-policy/github-terms/github-t...

Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by mysteria on Monday February 05, 2024 @11:14AM (#39262751)
Regardless of whether they allow it or not I know a lot of people with two personal accounts. One "professional" real name account that they list on their resume and another "anonymous" account with a screen name where they work on projects they don't want to be directly attributed to.
Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by em-bee on Monday February 05, 2024 @12:09PM (#39263578)
it is worth noting that in a conversation i had with a github employee regarding this issue that they were sympathetic to this situation. to be fair, a work account should really be paid for by the company. so i think github is going to tolerate this because they should really go after the company not individual users in that case.
Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by astrea on Monday February 05, 2024 @09:42AM (#39261696)
This is crazy to me as someone from the private sector. You all just code where the world can see?
Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by sumtechguy on Monday February 05, 2024 @09:48AM (#39261756)
Pretty sure you can have private repos with github?
Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by flir on Monday February 05, 2024 @11:34AM (#39263081)
I have "me at home" and "me at work" accounts, I don't generally create a new at-work account for each job. Maybe I should.

I've been trying to do more hobbyist work in public repos. It's not like there's a Greek chorus waiting to pounce on every mistake. Truth is, nobody cares.

It's freeing, in a way, because "I'll publish it when it's done" actually means "I'll never publish it at all".

Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by bbsz on Monday February 05, 2024 @05:10PM (#39267948)
Yeah, it's sometimes even hard to make code owners look at the complete feature PR to their codebase. There's 99.9% probability that 100% of 'geeking out' on github in public repositories will never be browsed by anybody.

I also find having some public activity on my gh to give me an ability to include it into the resume. It's a good conversation starter for many people from my experience.

Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by dukeyukey on Monday February 05, 2024 @09:53AM (#39261806)
Private repos. Even my personal stuff is private by default.
Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by tyingq on Monday February 05, 2024 @07:12AM (#39260385)
Fake profiles generated for spam or seo purposes is probably some notable percentage. Either accounts made to spam actual repos, or satellite properties like github pages. In the latter case, the accounts might open issues/comments/etc on github repos to create some link profile for seo purposes.
Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by timonoko on Monday February 05, 2024 @07:00AM (#39260300)
Github is the bestest and cheapest way to have public but moderately used website.

-- There must be some throttling for heavy use. Otherwise it would explode.

Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by valval on Monday February 05, 2024 @08:26AM (#39260992)
I'd be very skeptical even if it was inactive accounts as well. For active accounts it has to be a fraction of a percentage.
Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by kgeist on Monday February 05, 2024 @07:23AM (#39260478)
Doesn't look right for Russia either (3 mln accounts). According to government statistics, Russia has ~820k programmers as of 2023, and from my experience, not all of them have a Github account (I do job interviews).
Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by roenxi on Monday February 05, 2024 @08:43AM (#39261108)
People who aren't programmers have github accounts.
Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by knallfrosch on Monday February 05, 2024 @07:27AM (#39260509)
I have one account I'm locked out of (lost the email address and didn't care), a personal one and 2-3 for the various employers in my work history.
Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by yorwba on Monday February 05, 2024 @06:56AM (#39260266)
I have one GitHub account for each employer where I had to use it for work, but most of those accounts would be inactive in any given year.

I suspect spammers using GitHub to host their spam, as well as inaccurate geolocation e.g. due to VPN usage.

Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by manmal on Monday February 05, 2024 @07:38AM (#39260611)
Even though I didn’t like it, I got an additional GitHub account when I started working for a big corporation.
Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by zebogen on Monday February 05, 2024 @07:26AM (#39260504)
Yeah, it's 6% for the US. Definitely questionable. But it doesn't matter as much if you're looking at change over time.
Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by simonjgreen on Monday February 05, 2024 @07:33AM (#39260573)
A first Google click suggests this checks out https://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/jobs/uk/software%20engineer.do

Looks like it spiked as high as 10% of all advertised jobs in 2022. Even though 80%+ of the UK economy is services I still find that impressive!

Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by walthamstow on Monday February 05, 2024 @07:56AM (#39260758)
I have two, one for work and one for personal
Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by onetimeuse92304 on Monday February 05, 2024 @08:55AM (#39261213)
Sounds about right.

Remember, for most starting developers (which is almost all developers), a GitHub account is an essential part of their job search, just like having a LinkedIn account.

And then at a lot of companies you get a separate GitHub account because companies do not really want to deal with your personal account, they want to manage it to enforce 2fa, to be able to disable it when you leave (as if it mattered), and so on.

Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by p1esk on Monday February 05, 2024 @10:17AM (#39262084)
for most starting developers (which is almost all developers)

?

Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by soneca on Monday February 05, 2024 @09:09AM (#39261346)
I had the same suspicion from Brazil data. It says ~4,5 million accounts. Which is ~2% of Brazil’s population.

But you have take into account that ~37% of households in Brazil have no internet access or computer.

I would guess that less than 2% of Brazilian population even knows what GitHub is.

Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by denton-scratch on Monday February 05, 2024 @10:14AM (#39262044)
I've been a UK developer for 50 years. I've never had a Github account. I doubt I'm unique, nor even unusual. I don't participate in any Github-hosted projects (which usually means open-source). I happen to dislike git.

It stands to reason that Github would want to promote the notion that you can't be a real developer unless you're on Github.

You can't generalize from "number of Github accounts" to "number of developers".

Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by leonheld on Monday February 05, 2024 @11:46AM (#39263256)
You also cannot generalize this statement:

> I doubt I'm unique, nor even unusual.

Yet, you do.

Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by denton-scratch on Monday February 05, 2024 @12:22PM (#39263735)
> Yet, you do.

No, I don't. TBH, I don't really know what it would mean to generalize "I doubt I'm unique, nor even unusual". Would that be something like "I doubt anyone's unique, nor even unusual"? I certainly didn't say anything like that.

Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by SiempreViernes on Monday February 05, 2024 @12:28PM (#39263821)
the claim that you are not unusual is blatantly you generalising from your own experience! You didn't even bother with the figleaf of "and I know many others like me"...
Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by denton-scratch on Monday February 05, 2024 @12:52PM (#39264191)
> is blatantly you generalising from your own experience

It's not. "Generalising" means taking an individual observation, and drawing conclusions about all cases (or a large class of cases). I think you're saying that "I'm not unusual" is a canonical example of generalization, i.e. claiming that my case applies to a large class. But I didn't make that claim.

It's possible that my observation was wrong - that I am unusual. But that would mean that the majority of my recent colleagues were also unusual, because I don't think more than a tiny fraction of them had Github accounts.

Given a specimen case, and absent evidence to the contrary, it's a mistake to suppose that specimen case is unique or unusual. It's much more likely to be common. And if you discover similar cases, then it's definitely not unique, and unlikely to be unusual.

But I think this is litigious point-scoring; I say that having a Github account is not a good discriminator for "software developer". If you disagree, please explain why, instead of claiming that I contradicted myself by saying I wasn't generalising in a post that contained a "blatant generalisation".

[Note: I'm a brit, trying to transition gracefully from "-ise" to "-ize"; I'm having trouble internali[zs]ing the rules.]

Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by captaincaveman on Monday February 05, 2024 @02:07PM (#39265506)
Yeah you're unusual, which sector do you work in?
Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by denton-scratch on Monday February 05, 2024 @03:03PM (#39266348)
I'm retired now. I spent most of the last 10 years of my career working for web-shops, mainly making Drupal-based websites using custom modules. This is the kind of work that the majority of developers do; it's not unusual, it's the norm.

[Edit] Just noticed that the commenters above that seem to agree that I'm unusual, are all different commenters. I'm puzzled that people think I'm unusual, even to the point of asking about the work I do/did. But the sub-conversation is about Github; I presume that most of these commenters is a Github user, who works in Githubby environments, and so is exposed to a lot of Github users.

I'm really not very unusual; I'm just an opinionated graybeard old-fart software geek, like a lot of us. We all have strong opinions about what software we're prepared to try to cooperate with.

I found git over-complicated, and Github quickly became like a cross between LinkedIn and a sort of Facebook for coders. I never trusted it at all.

Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by captaincaveman on Monday February 05, 2024 @04:15PM (#39267283)
I agree with Git being overcomplicated, and the commands being a semantic mess, although they have improved somewhat over the years. I also didn't like how Github became some defacto self promotion thing. However, very few developers now don't use github to some degree in my experience (UK), bearing in mind so many new developers are/were being created each year compared to the past the more seasoned developers are becoming a vastly diminishing percentage.
Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by bbsz on Monday February 05, 2024 @05:21PM (#39268056)
That's interesting for me.

I was born in 93. In 2000s all of my then web-deving with html/php was without even an awareness of something like version control. I was storing snippets of code in .txt files in case my change (often made directly on the FTP server) was to crash everything. Of course, this was just a hobbyist environment, I was a teen running some small personal communities. Then, I stopped programming for years and when returned around 5 years ago `git` was basically everywhere. Now, after working in "professional environment" with software development, I don't imagine running any project without some version control when more than 1 person is involved.

What were you using for version control, how did that work between programmers committing to the same new feature?

Re:The fastest-growing countries for software development, a... by denton-scratch on Monday February 05, 2024 @06:21PM (#39268580)
> What were you using for version control

I started with CVS. I had been aware of sccs from an early Unix training course, so I knew how diffs worked, but I never used a VCS until I needed CVS. Later I switched to Subversion, which I think is pretty good, for my use-cases. Subversion flags a conflict if your commit against rev1.1 is submitted after another commit to the same file, but against rev1.2. You have to figure it out yourself, or grab rev1.2 and redo your changes. Git has lovely features for dealing with conflicts, much better that Subversion. But in practice, in a team of (say) three working on a feature, and communicating well, conflicts are rare, and easily resolved.

I should have been using revision control since the early days, of course; but I don't think many of us did - it required more storage, and floppy disks weren't cheap.

[Edit] Perhaps I should note that for a time, I had to work with Microsoft's Visual Sourcesafe, over Frame Delay, to a repository across the Atlantic. Those were bad times.