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Re:Over the Edge: The Use of Design Tactics to Undermine Bro... by sccxy on Saturday February 03, 2024 @06:12AM (#39239266)
Safari and Firefox does not allow other search engines also.

For Chrome/Edge I have added a lot of small shortcuts for IMDB, post tracking codes, geoip and many more "not search" things to search bar. Just keyword and %s in search url is needed.

Re:Over the Edge: The Use of Design Tactics to Undermine Bro... by voltaireodactyl on Saturday February 03, 2024 @06:20AM (#39239318)
Just for the record, you can absolutely change the default search engine in Safari and Firefox. I use kagi in both, so bangs are supported everywhere.
Re:Over the Edge: The Use of Design Tactics to Undermine Bro... by sccxy on Saturday February 03, 2024 @06:58AM (#39239518)
Firefox for iOS supports keyword and %s url scheme for search engines. I am not sure why extensions are needed in desktop.

You can change default search engine, but you cannot add extra search engines in Safari without building your own extension (and paying apple for it)

Re:Over the Edge: The Use of Design Tactics to Undermine Bro... by Macha on Saturday February 03, 2024 @08:16AM (#39240084)
> Firefox for iOS supports keyword and %s url scheme for search engines. I am not sure why extensions are needed in desktop.

So does Firefox desktop...? Extensions aren't needed, just right click on a search field and add it. You can customise placeholders and keywords too

Re:Over the Edge: The Use of Design Tactics to Undermine Bro... by sccxy on Saturday February 03, 2024 @09:19AM (#39240545)
It just creates messy bookmarks. Greatest UX for search...
Re:Over the Edge: The Use of Design Tactics to Undermine Bro... by Macha on Saturday February 03, 2024 @10:30AM (#39241218)
https://superuser.com/questions/7327/how-to-add-a-custom-sea...

The resulting search shows up in the search UI, whether you have firefox configured for a seperate search bar or have their default of the address bar also being the search bar. This is the same as the extension method.

If your complaint is that they also show up in bookmarks, then ehh, whatever. Most people either don't use bookmarks or have a giant dumping pile. If you're one of the 1% that organizes them, just put all your search bookmarks in their own folder.

Re:Over the Edge: The Use of Design Tactics to Undermine Bro... by ginko on Saturday February 03, 2024 @08:39AM (#39240240)
>I am not sure why extensions are needed in desktop.

They aren't. Why do you claim things that aren't true?

Re:Over the Edge: The Use of Design Tactics to Undermine Bro... by sccxy on Saturday February 03, 2024 @09:10AM (#39240478)
Okay, extensions or bookmarks must be used to create custom search.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39239822

Re:Over the Edge: The Use of Design Tactics to Undermine Bro... by kalleboo on Sunday February 04, 2024 @02:55AM (#39248464)
> you cannot add extra search engines in Safari without building your own extension

Safari automatically detects search fields on websites and adds to the smart address bar. E.g. if I type "discmaster myst" Safari will suggest to search discmaster.textfiles.com for "myst". And that's something it automatically picked up. No plugins or configuration needed, users don't need to learn how HTTP queries work.

Re:Over the Edge: The Use of Design Tactics to Undermine Bro... by clemiclemen on Monday February 05, 2024 @09:04AM (#39261294)
Changing the search engine in Safari is limited to a very specific list though. Using Kagi as a search engine in Safari requires using an extension that intercept search engines queries and redirects through Kagi[1].

[1]: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/getting-started/setting-default.h...

Re:Over the Edge: The Use of Design Tactics to Undermine Bro... by aragilar on Saturday February 03, 2024 @06:17AM (#39239306)
Wait, what? There's OpenSearch and web extensions which let you add more search engines (removing builtin ones is harder though).
Re:Over the Edge: The Use of Design Tactics to Undermine Bro... by sccxy on Saturday February 03, 2024 @07:10AM (#39239587)
Ok, then tell me how to add search engine to Safari iOS/Desktop and Firefox Desktop without building and downloading extra extensions.

Search url: https://api.hackertarget.com/geoip/?q=%s

Re:Over the Edge: The Use of Design Tactics to Undermine Bro... by metaphor on Saturday February 03, 2024 @07:42AM (#39239822)
For Firefox Desktop, just create a bookmark with your search URL and assign a keyword to it, e.g.

  URL: https://api.hackertarget.com/geoip/?q=%s
  Keyword: @geoip
...then Alt+D and queue off the keyword directly from address bar.
Re:Over the Edge: The Use of Design Tactics to Undermine Bro... by sccxy on Saturday February 03, 2024 @09:06AM (#39240441)
Okay, it is possible. But firefox UX is the greatest. You must use bookmarks to config search.

And now I have many nonsense bookmarks because I want to use them as search

Re:Over the Edge: The Use of Design Tactics to Undermine Bro... by morsch on Saturday February 03, 2024 @09:43AM (#39240748)
The UI is weird, that said, the feature goes back 20 years, see e.g. http://johnbokma.com/firefox/keymarks-explained/comments.htm... I wonder if it existed all the way back in a version of Netscape Navigator?

On Firefox Android, you can also just go to into settings, search, manage search engines, + add search engine. So, basically, exactly where you would expect it.

I think on desktop it's just as easy? Can't you just right click on most submit forms?

Re:Over the Edge: The Use of Design Tactics to Undermine Bro... by sccxy on Sunday February 04, 2024 @03:09AM (#39248519)
> On Firefox Android, you can also just go to into settings, search, manage search engines, + add search engine. So, basically, exactly where you would expect it.

I would expect same in Desktop also. But in Desktop you have to add bookmarks to manage extra search settings.

If Mozilla is pissing other browsers all the time then why they do not fix it. Googles money does not allow easier search settings?

Re:Over the Edge: The Use of Design Tactics to Undermine Bro... by metaphor on Monday February 05, 2024 @07:13PM (#39269042)
It's obvious you're not just seeking feature parity...you're being a contrarian for its own sake.

Keyword bookmarks have been a thing in Firefox since 1.0.x days and well before Chrome was officially released. It's an opinionated implementation that lives today as ~2 decades of deeply engrained tech debt. How do you even come off expecting Mozilla to operate at the same level as Google and its $1.7+ trillion market cap?? The level of entitlement in your remarks is simply beyond absurd.

Re:Over the Edge: The Use of Design Tactics to Undermine Bro... by neogodless on Saturday February 03, 2024 @08:03AM (#39239975)
Parent is talking about MacOS, not iOS.