- Stable jobs with good salaries
- Home Ownership
- Salaries that increased as much as profits when productivity raised.
It was a good time, they told me.
These people aren't Robin Hood, stop excusing their criminal behavior.
If you actually care about reducing crime you look at the evidence. E.g. https://equalitytrust.org.uk/crime
But when people have their needs met, are above the poverty line with a decent job that pays the bills, and they still steal because "inequality" makes them jealous and greedy, they don't deserve sympathy. Most people in such a condition don't become theives, they either content themselves with what they have or they try to better their condition through some honest means, like seeking better job training or political advocacy for social change. The ones who respond by turning to crime (usually targetting other common people living in similar conditions as themselves) are antisocials who need to have the book thrown at them. The reason they're stealing packages instead of robbing banks or spending their time looking for a better job is because porch theft is easy and low risk. If penalties and enforcement were increased, theft rates would drop.
If 1% of the population suddenly got personal space-ships (hugely increasing inequality) would that make people steal from trains more?
That's not a carrot that's just less stick
No I'm not. I asked how you define poverty
We'd have to be careful about that since research shows that past a certain point harsher penalties do not act as a deterrent. It might be that being a little bit harsher improves the situation, but the tendency is the US is to go way overboard to the point that the US locks up more of its citizens than any other nation on Earth, and even an arrest is enough to cause someone to lose their job while a conviction can cause someone to because virtually unemployable for the rest of their lives.
It might be better to focus on making it more likely that people are caught at all for stealing packages than increasing punishments for the ones that do get caught.
"Societal community spirit" or something like that. Some places in the US have it, some don't.
Quote: Workers in the US have an estimated $50bn-plus stolen from them every year
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/15/wage-theft-u...
I'm also quite confused as to how home ownership could ve causative here.
Because what you think is happening and what is happening likely differs significantly.
> "When our men go as guards over the mail, that mail must be delivered, or there must be a Marine dead at the post of duty."
We evolved, beginning seven million years ago, from species that were already highly sociable and live naturally, gregariously, and peacefully in groups of dozens or even hundreds. Chaos and sociopathy are illnesses.
On top of that, we have the intelligence to reason about what works better (let's use it).
> species that were already highly sociable and live naturally, gregariously, and peacefully in groups of dozens or even hundreds.
And if you have a source stating authoritatively how society functioned seven million years ago, as we parted evolutionary ways with the baboons and chimpanzees, I would love to read it.
How about it? I spend lots of time in cities; they are generally peaceful, gregarious and friendly.
> if you have a source stating authoritatively how society functioned seven million years ago, as we parted evolutionary ways with the baboons and chimpanzees, I would love to read it.
What is your point here?
Which ones?
> What is your point here?
I live in a city of almost nine million. Which far exceeds such a population, and not of proto-humans, but of fully modern ones (assuming the Toba Catastrophe Theory[0] is correct). As such, it's a pretty good bet that those few thousand who survived such a bottleneck 50-75k years ago lived similar lives (albeit with less technology) as we do today.
And while we do have some issues with anti-social behavior (which, I'm sure, is present in your village on a much smaller scale -- and only because it's a much smaller population) in my city of almost nine million, on the whole people are cooperative, supportive and pro-social.
If you don't like cities, that's fine -- don't live in one. But while Dunbar's Number[1] isn't applicable in my city, for the most part, we live pretty good lives.
I take issue with "peacefully".
Hunter gatherer adult violent death rates are often estimated at 2% to 10% (googling seems to confirm my memory here). While people in developed countries have around 0.01% violent death rates.
Which species? Bonobos are fairly peaceful, but Chimps aren't.
IMO the only clear window into this are victim surveys.
A look at the link[0] provided by GP provides the source[1] of the data, and AFAICT, both UCR and NIBRS statistics reflect reported crimes, not convictions.
So, no they don't. But feel free to ignore the actual data sources if they don't fit with your beliefs. Lots of people seem to do that. It makes life so much simpler, no?
A fair point. And thank you for your observation.[0]
However, GP made an assumption that wasn't supported by, well, anything in anyone's posts or any of the supporting data in an (apparent) attempt to justify their point of view.
I just said the quiet part out loud and gave GP license to continue using unsupported assumptions to justify their views.
If pointing that out is considered inappropriate by some, then so be it.
[0] I want to clarify that I really do appreciate your comment and am absolutely not being snarky or sarcastic when I say so.
Nope.
>I have,
Sucks to be you, I guess.
Please do share where you lived where your public servants are so crappy so I know never to go there. Thanks!
Especially since WRT property crime (which is what we're discussing here), filing an insurance claim requires providing access to an actual police report that can be provided (by the police) to the insurance company in order to get your claim processed.
Again, please let us know which jurisdiction(s) (and please, be specific) it is that refuses to take reports of property crime. Thanks!
Edit: Fixed usage.
Now we have more brazen smash and grabs with big hauls, idiots with trash bags an calculators being posted on social media, and porch pirates for which we see countless Ring videos?
That something needs to happen again.