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Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by golergka on Monday January 08, 2024 @02:18PM (#38916713)
> The US Navy's most advanced weapons systems can intercept most of the missiles but not all of them, and at some considerable degree of risk to the US vessels.

Aren't Egyptian Navy vessels much cheaper than american? They can just zerg rush and eat the damage. I don't think that Houthi have a lot of cruise missiles piled up.

Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by mulmen on Monday January 08, 2024 @02:27PM (#38916817)
> They can just zerg rush and eat the damage.

The last time the StarCraft doctrine was used in a real war was over a century ago and it did not go well.

> I don't think that Houthi have a lot of cruise missiles piled up.

Are you willing to bet the lives of Egyptian sailors on that assumption? How about your own?

This isn’t a video game.

Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by red-iron-pine on Monday January 08, 2024 @02:52PM (#38917135)
Zerg rushes have worked since then. worked for Chinese "volunteers" in the Korean War. Iran-Iraq saw a bunch, and they mostly worked, if you don't mind elementary age kids running through mindfields.

at sea, this approach took down the Russian Fleet at Tsushima Strait. The MCII exercise, contentious as it were, showed that an Iranian attempt at that might have worked.

hell, for all of their losses in Ukraine, the Russians are still gaining ground, and a lot of that came at the expense of modern Straf-Bat penal units.

that said, Egypt is a tank power, not a ship power, and flooding the area with older gear is a good way for most of it to end up at the bottom of the ocean. it's a non-starter of an idea for them.

Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by kiba on Monday January 08, 2024 @03:40PM (#38917785)
"Gaining ground" is not really particularly a meaningful metric if you don't take a look at its magnitude and the attrition on equipment and manpower.

It is in any case a full brute force approach that bellies an enemy that is unwilling or unable to train their troops.

Yes, quantity is a quality all its own, but that's why the US military is one of the biggest armed force on the planet. We do literally have the biggest air force in the world, for example.

Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by bluGill on Monday January 08, 2024 @04:26PM (#38918406)
> We do literally have the biggest air force in the world, for example.

In fact we have 4 of the top 10: #1 (airforce), #2 (Navy), 4(Army), and #5(marines).

Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by mulmen on Monday January 08, 2024 @06:10PM (#38919757)
Who is #3? China?
Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by bluGill on Monday January 08, 2024 @06:29PM (#38919999)
Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by golergka on Monday January 08, 2024 @04:07PM (#38918139)
> Are you willing to bet the lives of Egyptian sailors on that assumption? How about your own?

Egypt usually doesn't have any problems with that. They're not a liberal democracy, so enduring high casualties is not a political problem for them.

Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by mulmen on Monday January 08, 2024 @05:13PM (#38918982)
I don’t see the connection. Liberal democracies risk the lives of their militaries all the time. Does Egypt have a history of selecting strategies that needlessly waste military strength in service of their social structure?
Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by TylerE on Monday January 08, 2024 @02:46PM (#38917062)
1939 was less than 100 years ago. Didn't go well for Poland. "Blitzkrieg" means "lightning war".
Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by JumpCrisscross on Monday January 08, 2024 @02:55PM (#38917182)
> ”Blitzkrieg" means "lightning war"

Blitzkrieg was early combined-arms warfare; its modern iteration underwrites American military supremacy.

Zerg rushing is an r-production analog that uses swarms of cheap, expendable units to overwhelm the enemy numerically. This is closer to the Soviet (and now Russian) doctrine of using humans to absorb ammunition. It fails against combined-arms armies because it lacks manoeuvre. It works when the enemy is production constrained, e.g. Ukraine.

Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by hef19898 on Monday January 08, 2024 @03:37PM (#38917746)
The Russians, and Soviets, never did this. Their doctrine of mobile combined arms warfare, that worked really well during WW2, is called deep battle.

Zerg rushing works in video games.

Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by JumpCrisscross on Monday January 08, 2024 @03:46PM (#38917855)
> Russians, and Soviets, never did this

The Soviets in WWII used human waves against the Nazis. That said, the USSR was capable of combined-armed warfare.

Russia has proved incapable of combined-arms warfare. They launched human waves in Bakhmut, and are largely using numerical advantages in raw recruits to push for marginal gains. This isn’t how a modern army fights.

Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by hef19898 on Monday January 08, 2024 @03:49PM (#38917899)
Soviet himan waves are as much myth as are the Germans calling it Blitzkrieg. The only thing comming close to these himan wave attacks are the failed Banzai charges of desperate Japanese forces. And thoae never worked.
Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by JumpCrisscross on Monday January 08, 2024 @05:34PM (#38919281)
> Soviet himan waves are as much myth

The Red Army definitely used them against Finland. But you are right, they weren’t used against the Nazis.

Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by GolfPopper on Monday January 08, 2024 @05:44PM (#38919410)
It's not "human waves" in Ukraine, it's advance by attrition in Ukraine, as JumpCrisscross pointed out above. The Russians have not considered themselves limited by causalities, while the Ukrainians have to conserve manpower and materiel. So the Russians can "afford" to throw a bunch of squads out along a front, and if 90% or more are casualties, they don't care, so long as they can take some ground. Then, once they do, they rinse, lather, and repeat. It's a hideous expenditure of human lives, but it has worked tactically. Whether it is a significant gain operationally or strategically, I don't know. (Russia is going to pay a price down the road for losing all those young men, but it won't be paid by the old men sending them to their deaths.)
Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by samus on Monday January 08, 2024 @04:57PM (#38918770)
Zerg rushes are maybe effective at overwhelming an enemy position. It can be considered to be acceptable for a tactically successful operation. Eating missiles without good outcome is usually not part of a tactically successful operation.
Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by spywaregorilla on Monday January 08, 2024 @02:37PM (#38916947)
how much do you think zerg rushing with ships cost?
Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by UberFly on Monday January 08, 2024 @03:23PM (#38917585)
6000 vespene gas
Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by bombcar on Monday January 08, 2024 @03:48PM (#38917879)
Carrier has arrived.