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Re:All DMCA Notices Filed Against TorrentFreak in 2023 Were ... by gizmo on Monday January 01, 2024 @06:00PM (#38836124)
Abusers of DMCA should just have the IP in question automatically reclassified as Public Domain. Problem solved.

This may sound extreme (and it kind of is), but companies send bogus legal threats under penalty of perjury and it's time to put the "magic of incentives" at work here. IP protection is not a constitutional right. You abuse it you lose it.

Re:All DMCA Notices Filed Against TorrentFreak in 2023 Were ... by metadat on Monday January 01, 2024 @06:26PM (#38836282)
Do the "abusers" tend to be the actual owners though? If not, there's no actual IP to take away from them.

If not implemented carefully, this could incentivize shell games.

Re:All DMCA Notices Filed Against TorrentFreak in 2023 Were ... by ssl-3 on Monday January 01, 2024 @07:59PM (#38836895)
Does matter whether the abusers are the owners themselves or merely representative agents of that the owners have hired?

I don't think that it does.

Re:All DMCA Notices Filed Against TorrentFreak in 2023 Were ... by dns_snek on Monday January 01, 2024 @08:03PM (#38836918)
Per the definition, yes. A DMCA notice submitted by someone other than the copyright owner or someone acting on their behalf is invalid.
Re:All DMCA Notices Filed Against TorrentFreak in 2023 Were ... by bobthepanda on Monday January 01, 2024 @07:04PM (#38836510)
Also I could totally seeing this getting abused with competitors posting fake DMCA for one’s content to get their competition public domained.
Re:All DMCA Notices Filed Against TorrentFreak in 2023 Were ... by zmgsabst on Monday January 01, 2024 @09:09PM (#38837283)
That seems like you’d be committing perjury, which the victim could prove easily by showing there’s no authorization.
Re:All DMCA Notices Filed Against TorrentFreak in 2023 Were ... by zmgsabst on Monday January 01, 2024 @09:08PM (#38837278)
If you submit a DMCA notice without authorization, then it’s perjury.

If you submit one with authorization, then the authorizing party should put their IP as collateral.

Re:All DMCA Notices Filed Against TorrentFreak in 2023 Were ... by jorams on Monday January 01, 2024 @06:16PM (#38836222)
That's what I had in mind as the consequences in the last paragraph. I'm not sure what the process for that reclassification would look like. I think it does need some level of actual confirmation that the copyright owner is responsible for the abuse, while ignoring of abusers by a platform is easy and decentralized.
Re:All DMCA Notices Filed Against TorrentFreak in 2023 Were ... by Retric on Monday January 01, 2024 @07:57PM (#38836881)
Some penalty is clearly appropriate, but IP protection is part of the constitution.
Re:All DMCA Notices Filed Against TorrentFreak in 2023 Were ... by roblabla on Monday January 01, 2024 @08:49PM (#38837184)
Do you have a source for that? I don't see anything in the US constitution being remotely close to Intellectual Property protection. It does have several protection on property, but I'm pretty sure it's talking about the physical kind.
Re:All DMCA Notices Filed Against TorrentFreak in 2023 Were ... by zmgsabst on Monday January 01, 2024 @09:11PM (#38837289)
Article I, Section 8, Clause 8:

> “To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries.”

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-1/section-8...

Re:All DMCA Notices Filed Against TorrentFreak in 2023 Were ... by ncallaway on Monday January 01, 2024 @10:55PM (#38837921)
That is a power granted to congress, not a constitutional right.

That is, the constitution grants Congress the authority to create a legislative IP right. It does not create a constitutional IP right.

You can tell, because Congress could say: “stuff it, no IP rights for anyone. Copyright no longer exists for new works”, and that would be constitutional.

Re:All DMCA Notices Filed Against TorrentFreak in 2023 Were ... by Retric on Tuesday January 02, 2024 @07:29PM (#38849141)
People interpret the constitution in different ways, but this is commonly interpreted as a requirement not just a power. Critically, this stuff is interpreted by the Supreme Court not simply anyone so someone could bring a case should congress fail to provide any protection.

Thus congress could specify that copyright only lasts for 1 month, but they can’t just ignore it or set it to 1 second without the courts getting involved.

Re:All DMCA Notices Filed Against TorrentFreak in 2023 Were ... by neltnerb on Monday January 01, 2024 @08:51PM (#38837197)
If the legislature wanted to protect IP differently, it is at their prerogative though.

For instance, if they think the value of IP to promoting the arts and sciences is reduced significantly by IP claimants committing perjury and abusing other people's freedom of expression, and that the situation needs a remedy.

There's nothing saying it has to be this way, merely that granting rights is a thing that can be done. Y'all can find this section of the constitution I'm sure, and it's dull but short! This is super up to the legislature, otherwise how would they have passed the DMCA in the first place? Of course they could make a law to revoke IP for any kind of thing they decide they need to -- like for national security:

"The Congress shall have Power To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries."