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Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by impulser_ on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:15PM (#38356964)
There is no way this is true. If it is the board might be the dumbest people alive.

You fire the CEO and completely destroy a 90b company because of these two reasons?

No wonder everyone wants out. I would think I was going crazy if I sat in a meeting and heard these two reason.

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by gizmondo on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:23PM (#38357034)
> You completely destroy a 90b company because of these two reasons?

Hanlon's razor aside, maybe that was the intention.

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by lolinder on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:36PM (#38357142)
The most chilling line in the open letter is this one, which I haven't heard anyone talking about:

> You also informed the leadership team that allowing the company to be destroyed “would be consistent with the mission.”

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by voisin on Monday November 20, 2023 @08:16PM (#38357479)
Reminds me of the final season of Silicon Valley. Is this Pied Piper at Tres Comma Fest?
Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by satvikpendem on Monday November 20, 2023 @08:38PM (#38357679)
Seems to me more analogous to the final episode of the final season, where they must publicly destroy what they built.
Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by jtriangle on Monday November 20, 2023 @10:41PM (#38358827)
Yes, except what they think they've built is far far less capable than what they've actually built.

This is a ten year old who set off their first fire cracker turning to their parents's iphone and saying 'I have become death, destroyer of worlds', because they don't really understand how any of this works but they've somehow ended up in control of it and are now terrified of doing their jobs.

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by voisin on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:17PM (#38358081)
lol yes, I just refreshed the timeline which was skewed in my memory.
Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by paulddraper on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:03PM (#38357943)
Life imitates art.
Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by aeonik on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:58PM (#38357306)
Depending on the circumstances this statement can be perfectly logical.

But as far as I can tell, circumstances are still scant.

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by Davidzheng on Monday November 20, 2023 @10:11PM (#38358580)
This could be a genuine stance for them if they are really in the AI danger camp. Not supporting the stance; but i think it's not a self contradictory position
Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by lolinder on Monday November 20, 2023 @11:08PM (#38359067)
Oh, definitely not self-contradictory!

In retrospect it's a mistaken position, because it's pretty obvious now that if OpenAI disintegrates it will be as an exodus to Microsoft, which will undoubtedly be a worse steward, but I think it's an ethically consistent position to hold, in a naive sort of way. That's part of why I believe they actually said something like this.

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by riku_iki on Monday November 20, 2023 @08:42PM (#38357712)
> If it is the board might be the dumbest people alive.

it totally sounds like they outsourced company management to ChatGPT..

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by vitorgrs on Monday November 20, 2023 @08:56PM (#38357866)
Only if GPT-2. GPT-3 is smarter than this, let alone 4.
Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by jaredsohn on Monday November 20, 2023 @08:56PM (#38357867)
I've thought they should have run more decisions by ChatGPT to predict what might happen
Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by JshWright on Monday November 20, 2023 @08:48PM (#38357784)
What if the next generation GPT in development "realized" AGI is a threat to humanity and its safety mechanisms meant it "decided" OpenAI needed to be imploded in order to stop progress?

/s (mostly...)

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by throwawayapples on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:30PM (#38358205)
no way even ChatGPT is this nuts.

Ok, well, maybe it is. but a magic 8-ball would have been better than this.

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by JoshTko on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:45PM (#38358342)
Would be hilarious if the board members were actually consulting with chat GPT on what moves they should make but accidentally were using 3.5 instead of 4
Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by riku_iki on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:47PM (#38358359)
> no way even ChatGPT is this nuts.

I think it is typical ChatGPT pattern:

- ChatGPT, you made mistake in your steps

- I am sorry, let me fix it and give you another answer.

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by throwitaway222 on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:20PM (#38358120)
Maybe all this craziness is to generate training material for GPT5.
Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by hn_throwaway_99 on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:10PM (#38358022)
The thing I can't understand is how Emmett Shear accepted the interim CEO position. I presume he must have known this reasoning (he tweeted that he did know the reasoning). Everything I've read online is that Shear is generally well respected and competent. Then how on Earth was he willing to get anywhere near this toxic dumpster fire? It's already been reported that the former GitHub CEO and the Scale AI CEO turned down the role - they at least had the good sense to see this radioactive inferno and stay far away.

Sometimes I think that really ambitious people have this blind spot about not seeing how accepting roles that are toxic can end up destroying your reputation. My favorite example is all the Trump White House staffers - regardless of what one thinks of Trump, he's made it abundantly clear that loyalty is a one way street, and I can't think of a single person that came out of the White House without a worse (or totally destroyed) reputation. But still people lined up, thinking "No way, I'll be the one to beat the odds!"

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by nopromisessir on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:32PM (#38358219)
I'm sorry to say... But my analysis is either:

he was poorly informed by the board

Or

He agrees that they are off the rails with respect to safety.

See the Atlantic article, if you havn't read. Lots of context.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38341399

The new guy believes that there is a 5-50 percent chance of full AI Armageddon. I get the impression that the two women on the board may agree. The quora guy I don't have enough background on. Ilya obviously got extremely worried and communication with Altman and Brockman broke down. Now since repaired during negotiations it would appear.

The new ceo more or less stated that he took the role as a (paraphrase) 'responsibility for mankind'. That says a lot about that whole 5-50 percent risk number imo.

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by jtriangle on Monday November 20, 2023 @10:46PM (#38358875)
Humans have been making and successfully containing things that can kill us all for the better part of a century now, probably more depending on where you draw the line.

There is a 100% chance that something kills all of us if we aren't mindful of it. I don't see a lack of mindfulness, I see an abundance of fear, and progress being offered up as a sacrifice to the idol of status-quo.

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by adastra22 on Monday November 20, 2023 @11:38PM (#38359321)
The new guy is completely off the deep end with regards to AI "safety." This clownfest isn't over yet.
Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by abi on Monday November 20, 2023 @10:01PM (#38358480)
If you're in the EA cult and think all frontier AI development needs to be paused, it's perfectly reasonable. Just speculating here though.
Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by kridsdale1 on Monday November 20, 2023 @10:56PM (#38358969)
It’s either cultists or basic envy from Poe. Either way god how stupid.