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Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by erulabs on Thursday November 09, 2023 @11:40PM (#38215117)
I have occasional wrist pain (competitive starcraft and being a software engineer not a great combo) - the only real fix for me was going to the gym a lot. Now that I go to the gym 3-4 times a week, most all of my RSI issues have vanished. Strongly recommend. There is something crushing about wrist pain when your entire value is wrapped up in what you can make computers do.

Also, I love the style of this blog with the chat-replies from friends.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by xena on Thursday November 09, 2023 @11:47PM (#38215158)
Yeah, at first when the RSI pain started, it felt it was really scary. Like viscerally scary in a way that is hard to describe unless you have felt that kind of fear. realistically, though knowing that I can use this tool to be able to code, even without the use of my hands, it makes me just feel calm. Obviously, I wouldn't want to lose use of my hands, but should that reality happen it is something that I could actually live with and tolerate. Would suck to give up video games entirely though. It's amazingly ironic that coding without your hands, ends up being faster than coding with your hands, but it wouldn't be reality if it wasn't ironic eh?
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by cableshaft on Friday November 10, 2023 @02:43AM (#38216213)
> Would suck to give up video games entirely though.

You don't necessarily have to do that. I'm adding voice recognition into the game I'm working on right now, for example. It helps that it's a turn-based strategy game to begin with, though.

And there are players that manage to play games with limited or no mobility in their hands at all, with the right accessible controllers.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by targetx on Friday November 10, 2023 @03:00AM (#38216307)
Playing games on PC has been a trigger for me for a long time and gets uncomfortable quickly. I got a PSVR2 headset last year and it's a great way for me to play games and not be in the same mostly static position all day. I can play games on it without any discomfort (other than wearing the headset itself which isn't great if it's a really hot day) and you can switch up sitting/standing which I also like.
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by cableshaft on Friday November 10, 2023 @12:05PM (#38221343)
I have a Quest 2 and I've had to limit my playing of it not because of wrist RSI but it seems like I tend to accidentally overextend my upper forearm muscles anytime I play anything twitchy in it, like Beat Saber or action games, and my forearm muscles stretch or tear or something and take a while to heal back up. Super annoying.

I don't think I'm doing anything too crazy with it either, so it's a little worrying, since it's happened pretty much every time I've played it lately.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by tubthumper8 on Friday November 10, 2023 @11:49AM (#38221125)
> I'm adding voice recognition into the game I'm working on right now, for example.

Very cool! I've also found that it's helpful when the game supports different controllers too. I absolutely cannot play games with keyboard & mouse but plugging in an Xbox controller to the PC is completely fine. I'm sure people out there have the opposite experience as me, too.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by cableshaft on Friday November 10, 2023 @12:01PM (#38221283)
Yeah, I can't do WASD movement that often anymore without pretty bad pain in my fingers (noticed how bad it got for the first time with Halo Infinite), so I prefer using a controller myself nowadays.

My game will definitely have controller support also (most of it does now, a few screens are a little spotty I'm planning to fix in the next month or two, and I don't yet have multiple controller support, that may have to wait until later). But it's also fully playable with just clicking a mouse as well.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by citruscomputing on Friday November 10, 2023 @01:06PM (#38222250)
I felt the exact same. The mounting pain, seemingly leading up to needing to take extended medical leave, the feeling of helplessness where interacting with computers in any capacity was excruciating, and feeling... just utterly useless was terrible. Everything I do/am felt like it involved my hands. Talon took me out of that. It was difficult to learn while in pain (if anyone reading this has the spare cycles, I highly suggest learning before you need it), but it entirely freed me from that downward spiral. It's a kind of security that (temporary) health can't quite match – knowing that the accomodations for disability are there, and are really good. Being abled is a temporary state. (For example, I lose the use of my hands while I'm eating!)

There was a book I can't recall the name of, in which one of the characters (a human) is stranded on an alien planet. He agrees to a certain type of relationship with his alien benefactor, but doesn't understand the cultural implications of what he's agreeing to. His fingers are lengthened through a medical procedure, so long that he can't hold anything, can't work, can't ever exist on his own again – he exists now only as a thing of beauty, a token for the alien to show off. He spends his days in what I picture as a courtyard in a roman villa, to be shown off to guests. This confers social status on his owner because of the resources it takes to keep a helpless sapient being fed, clothed, and happy. (The last one is debatable.) It is seen as one of the most intimate types of relationships in this culture. I think about this a lot.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by beebmam on Thursday November 09, 2023 @11:59PM (#38215233)
For people reading this comment about RSI and considering this recommendation: please see a doctor and a physical therapist first before you adopt a gym routine. It is very, very easy to hurt yourself if you don't know what you're doing and you already have an injury. Speaking from personal experience.
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by p-e-w on Friday November 10, 2023 @12:41AM (#38215461)
The vast majority of doctors, when presented with a patient asking such a thing, will do a 30 second "examination" (if you're lucky), then spout some platitudes about exercise being beneficial in moderation (which you could have gotten from a lifestyle magazine or a fortune cookie), then usher you out after 5 minutes so they can see the next patient waiting in line.

Unless you know the doctor personally, or are rich enough to see high-class private practitioners who will actually pay attention to you because of your money and/or status, that would be a gargantuan waste of time. Needless to say, I too am speaking from personal experience.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by zaptheimpaler on Friday November 10, 2023 @01:00AM (#38215565)
This might be true if you just go ask a generic doctor with no training on the subject but someone trained in sports medicine or a physiotherapist can be very helpful.
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by robertlagrant on Friday November 10, 2023 @05:49AM (#38217335)
> someone trained in sports medicine or a physiotherapist can be very helpful

That would indeed come under people who aren't "The vast majority of doctors".

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by yojo on Friday November 10, 2023 @10:42AM (#38220225)
I’ve found it helps to go to your doctor with a game plan. Research your issue, figure out what the desired course of diagnosis and/or treatment is, then ask for it at the doctor’s.

They will usually just give you the referral you want. They may ask you to do some wrist exercises first, but if you are persistent, it will happen.

Think of primary care as talking to first level support at the call center. If you already know your problem needs a specialist, lead the conversation in that direction.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by dog321 on Friday November 10, 2023 @11:03AM (#38220505)
In the US at least the most helpful is to find an out of network doctor, pay them the $200 for 1hr detailed examination, where they don't offload you to an assistant after 10 min, and use that + the offered program as a guide book, and never book another session. Much better than doing 15 in-network therapy sessions for $15 each. (hand wavy on insurance costs but you get the gist)
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by justworkout on Friday November 10, 2023 @01:02AM (#38215572)
People always chime in with this and it's weird. It's just scaring people and making them think exercise is more dangerous than being sedentary (it isn't). Have some common sense and don't jump into something that hurts and you'll be fine. Watch some videos of how to do established exercises, start with far less weight than you think you can handle and slowly work up to a higher amount over the course of weeks (so you know you're not bending in weird ways), and be consistent with it.

You can hurt yourself doing anything. Nobody says to consult a doctor before doing anything else, but there's lots of fear mongering around exercise. Going from sitting at a desk all day to doing some weightless squats, curling tiny weights, and bench pressing a bar isn't going to ruin your body. It's only risky if you're physically disabled and already know it.

I even see people saying you should see a doctor before you start walking or jogging. No. Start slow, and if it majorly hurts your bones and joints, then talk to a doctor because you may have something wrong. If you just feel a burn in your muscles after a while and an ache in your muscles the next day, you're fine. You're getting stronger.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by dragonwriter on Friday November 10, 2023 @01:22AM (#38215699)
You seem to be knee-jerking and ignoring context.

The recommendation was not "see a doctor before starting an exercise routine if you are sedentary".

It was "If you are going to try to use an intense exercise pattern as a treatment for an RSI, consult a doctor first".

> Start slow, and if it majorly hurts your bones and joints, then talk to a doctor because you may have something wrong.

If you have an RSI, you already have something wrong; that's your starting point. And a lot of common RSIs affecting the risk and elbow can have a lot of impact on ability to safely do lots of common exercises (especially with free weights) at weights way (like, literally, an order of magnitude or more) below what would even be useful from a strength perspective. And, yeah, the right focused exercises can help, and if you've got a decent doctor, they (or, more likely, the physical therapist they refer you to), will actually provide you both appropriate exercises for your particular RSI and also appropriate guidelines on how to avoid exacerbating it with other exercise.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by j45 on Friday November 10, 2023 @01:11AM (#38215624)
Agree. just like you wouldn’t over do it walking the first time.
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by justneedaname on Friday November 10, 2023 @02:48AM (#38216245)
It's only risky if you're physically disabled and already know it

Are you not physically disabled in some way though if you have RSI?

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by heavyset_go on Friday November 10, 2023 @02:59AM (#38216303)
Don't let hubris get in the way of getting an informed medical opinion when it comes to not making your existing injuries worse with exercise. I'm speaking from experience as someone who once thought like you do, at least when it came to my own health. Take injuries seriously.
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by jrm4 on Friday November 10, 2023 @09:14AM (#38219080)
Right, I think a good takeaway is: In extreme cases of anything, you are likely to want to get doctor input -- but presently "seeing the doctor" is in no way a guarantee of anything?

More like, do your homework on whatever it that's wrong with you. Often, a doctor's input is very helpful, but that too comes with limitations and caveats.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by phyzome on Friday November 10, 2023 @10:27AM (#38220019)
The two times I had RSI it actually turned out to be a postural issue. I never would have figured that out without going to physical therapists, who were able to figure it out in 15 minutes. They gave me specific instructions on how to hold my body and some exercises to do, and things cleared up in a few weeks.

RSI and similar mean there's something specific that needs fixing. PTs can dramatically speed up that process; trying to solve it on your own can result in more damage simply because you're not fixing the problem.

I'd agree that exercise is all well and good. But you should also make sure you're fixing the right problem.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by dog321 on Friday November 10, 2023 @10:59AM (#38220457)
Could you elaborate on what the postural defecits were and changes made? Always interesting to hear folks pathologies and cures.
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by phyzome on Saturday November 11, 2023 @02:52PM (#38233879)
It has been a while, so I don't remember the exact details. In both cases, the symptoms were pain and paraesthesia in my hands and lower arm, although the locations might have been somewhat different. In one, the issue was that I was holding my head and neck forward, sort of cantilevered out. This caused muscle inflammation in the back of my neck, irritating a nearby nerve. In the other, it had to do with holding my shoulders forward, causing a nerve impingement on my chest. In both cases, it was part of an overall hunched-forward posture, so... you know, "don't do that". :-) I don't remember the specific exercises, but I think they had something to do with strengthening opposing muscles.
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by weird-eye-issue on Friday November 10, 2023 @04:22AM (#38216800)
Doctors and PTs never helped my wrist, forearm, and arm pain but finding a really good personal trainer and going to the gym 3+ times a week for several months is what finally did it
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by bregma on Friday November 10, 2023 @06:48AM (#38217739)
No no some doctor with their 8 or more years of formal professional education knows nothing compared with some rando on the internet who may have read a book by some other rando and has an anecdotal testimonial. This is patently true because I read it on my corner of the internet all the time. And sometimes hear it on talk radio.
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by Pxtl on Friday November 10, 2023 @08:42AM (#38218671)
Yup. Working out helped my back pain and my wrist pain... but gave me tennis elbow. So I stopped working out.

Now I have back pain, wrist pain, and tennis elbow.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by oarfish on Friday November 10, 2023 @12:54PM (#38222067)
There are almost no medical contraindications to exercise, so this is meh advice. Feel free to consult professionals, but there is no need to abstain from exercise due to fear of doing something "wrong".

Obviously don't do things clearly aggravating your symptoms, but there is no magic diagnostic that would make a doctor tell you you can't exercise because of your wrists.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by beebmam on Friday November 10, 2023 @08:47PM (#38226817)
My doctor told me exactly the opposite, specifically for weightlifting. I'm curious: do you have a medical background? If so, what is it?
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by kraig911 on Friday November 10, 2023 @12:33AM (#38215415)
I would also advise seeing a doctor but I'll say my doctor recommended me something very similar. I'm not able to go to the gym but what has helped me is I have a bucket with rice in it (I guess you could also use sand?) and I just twist my hand within the bucket of rice while holding and squeezing a tennis ball in it. Do it in a circular motion.

One thing I thought was interesting is he said that ortho doctors don't really think ergo keyboards help. I use a kinesis advantage 360 where I can (I still prefer a regular keyboard) I don't see much in the way beyond help with shoulder pain. I've had surgery to fix my RSI/ tunnel nerve inflammation. Anyways where I'm going with this is I do think exercise is a big help.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by creer on Friday November 10, 2023 @12:42AM (#38215462)
No one setup helped me either. What did help me was recognizing that I had a problem and actively changing things - like varying small setup changes like angle to the table. That was mostly enough to stop stressing always the same parts.
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by SubGenius on Friday November 10, 2023 @12:51AM (#38215509)
The Kinesis (and now the Moonlander) has really helped with the pain in my hands from severe nerve damage (from a coma) though. I understand it's not exactly RSI, so the mechanism is different. I agree with you about exercise. At this point, I'm nervous to rely on just one single change, so a multi-frontal attack is needed. A consistent stretching routine is probably what helped me deal with pain the most...
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by danieldk on Friday November 10, 2023 @01:45AM (#38215859)
Just to counteract your latter point, switching to a split key well keyboard with good palm rests did largely solve my wrist issues.

Of course, every person and diagnosis is different.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by Aerroon on Friday November 10, 2023 @01:04AM (#38215591)
The thing that seems to counteract my wrist pain is pulling exercises. Essentially anything where the wrist is pulled away from the forearm: pull ups, deadlifts, bent over rows, even stretches against the wall. Pushing against the wrist made things worse for me, but the pulling exercises counteract it.
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by j45 on Friday November 10, 2023 @01:28AM (#38215745)
Exercise bands can help with these too.
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by Cthulhu_ on Friday November 10, 2023 @03:52AM (#38216614)
I couldn't do push-ups when starting with a personal trainer due to the wrist pain, but the exercises helped; I'm not sure if it was pulling action, or grip strength / forearm training though; the theory with the latter is that the large muscles pick up more of the slack and offload the smaller painful muscles.

that, or just improved blood flow allowing repairs and trapped shit to be taken away.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by injidup on Friday November 10, 2023 @01:10AM (#38215618)
I had bad RSI for ages. What helps me and other comments have agreed is pulling excercises. Specifically I have a bar at home attached to the ceiling. Just hanging from the bar as long as you can and doing that regularly seems to stretch out the right muscles/tendons. Don't over do it but at the beginning I could only do 20 seconds. Now I can hold on for 1 to 2 minutes depending on the day.

I have very little wrist pain any more.

I also have a kinesis pro keyboard and a MX master mouse. They both add to the improvement.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by trhway on Friday November 10, 2023 @01:30AM (#38215765)
>What helps me and other comments have agreed is pulling excercises.

variation of this - my wife half my weight does her Aikido exercises on my wrists when the wrists start to remind about themselves.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by Roark66 on Friday November 10, 2023 @01:51AM (#38215901)
This is interesting, it reminds me of the (sort of) famous "tree hanging" exercise. Which goes like this. Go to a wooded area, find a tree with a strong branch above your head. Grab it and hang off it for a while. Do it daily for a brief time.

Supposedly this exercise helps in all sorts of problems that arise in a sedentary lifestyle (hands, arms, back etc).

Now, the only problem with doing it here is that most trees here are pines and strong branches start 20m above the ground...

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by yread on Friday November 10, 2023 @02:09AM (#38216016)
You can get a climbing hangboard and hang it over a doorway. Do a pyramid training (2, 4, 6, 8, 6, 4, 2s with 5s pause in between) and your fingers and wrists will get much stronger
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by cmplxconjugate on Friday November 10, 2023 @02:43AM (#38216215)
I use a Beastmaker 1000 hangboard and follow the Emil's Sub-max Daily Fingerboard Routine on the app Crimpd each day. Absolutely amazing results within a month. I really suggest everyone gives it a try.
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by harry_ord on Friday November 10, 2023 @05:04AM (#38217043)
If you're just hanging the exercise/stretch is often called a dead hang
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by rob74 on Friday November 10, 2023 @05:27AM (#38217191)
You can also do it in the gym, if they have one of the "machines" shown at the very right in this picture: https://www.fit-star.de/Resources/Public/Content/Specials/He... - not sure how they're called or how common they are, but you put your lower arms on the armrests, grab the handles, rest your back against the blue ball and just let your legs hang. Then you can do some ab exercises.
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by SturgeonsLaw on Friday November 10, 2023 @05:27AM (#38217197)
That's just nature's incentive to keep up your grip strength
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by faichai on Friday November 10, 2023 @02:31AM (#38216146)
Flip side to this, is I’ve had Carpal Tunnel for a while now, had surgery 2 years ago. It’s somewhat better and I am now active at the gym and in general it has helped a lot but extreme gripping such as deadhangs, deadlifts and heavy rows actually aggravates my symptoms. I started using straps for any weight over 50kg and my hands have got a lot better.

I’ve found that when you’re going from (weak, sedentary) => (strong, active) it can sometimes be difficult to discern what activities are good or bad for your pain. Sometimes you need to work through pain to find relief and strength on the other side, but sometimes working through pain just leads to more pain. The boundaries aren’t always clear at the time.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by injidup on Friday November 10, 2023 @03:32AM (#38216514)
Yes..don't push past your pain limits. I have an old elbow injury from climbing. In the past if I did too much with it like pull ups it would inflame and then be useless again for weeks.

But slowly building up the hang time and then moving to 1 pull-up then to 2 and slowly over months to 5 and then 10 seems to keep it happy.

Be careful and slow but consistent and results should be good.

( See your doctor of physio for advice )

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by yojo on Friday November 10, 2023 @11:00AM (#38220465)
I also fixed my RSI issues with exercise, though I get a lot more benefit from cardio.

I find it extremely helpful to take a mid-workday walk, ~20 minutes, usually after lunch. My brain turns off to digest anyway, so I lose little useful work time. Adopting the walk pretty much solved my issue.

I speculate that my issues are blood-flow related - I’ve always had cold hands/feet, suggesting suboptimal circulation. All the prolonged sitting then starves the muscles in my wrists of the oxygen needed to keep typing. Roughly in line with this study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16640514/

Obviously, there are many possible root causes for RSI conditions. But a midday walk is a nice thing regardless, and may be worth a try.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by itslennysfault on Friday November 10, 2023 @03:16PM (#38223953)
Interesting, I've been coding professionally for about 20 years now, and never had any wrist problems. I've been pretty inconsistent with working out, but have always kept a pull up bar in my home, and even when not working out often I do a few pull ups here and there. Maybe these things are related. Never really thought about it.
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by j45 on Friday November 10, 2023 @01:26AM (#38215734)
I had one flare up that got my attention.

Strengthening is definitely a huge part of it if not most .. more often than not.

A few other things helped, if you have them use your benefits to verify with a physiotherapist or professional.

Wrist support:

M-brace makes an excellent and minimally invasive strap. Good to west while sleeping if you twist it while sleeping. There’s an older version of this which was an angled bracket which works in many positions. Helps relieve from fatigue or not get fatigued as easily.

https://m-brace.com/produit/wrist-support-132/

Laptops are generally awful ergonomics especially if you aren’t as active as may need to be. Invest in an ergonomic keyboards, ergomice, vertical mice, trackpads. Variety is the best ergonomics. Minimize or stop using laptop keyboards. I use Logitech k860, Microsoft ErgoSculpt keyboard, kinesis freestyle widest separation at times, even though they are not mechanical. Slim keys are actually pretty good.

If you have a standing desk use it more often to change up the angles and use different muscles.

Strengthening:

- A gyroball works well. Builds up the core muscles.

https://www.amazon.com/NSD-Essential-Strengthener-Exerciser-...

- Wrist curls, not too much weight, get advice. Don’t overdo it.

- Finger strengthening using hand grips

- If you can find some hand massage or scraping tools and learn how tonier them they can alleviate a lot of stiffness in hands and forearms.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by ubercore on Friday November 10, 2023 @01:30AM (#38215762)
I've found this true for a lot of unexpected things. It makes sense in the end, but is a little unintuitive at first that lots of deadlifting completely fixed some crippling back pain I was going through at one point.
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by heavyset_go on Friday November 10, 2023 @02:49AM (#38216255)
If you're going to do this, make sure you work out the muscles that support your wrists before you start lifting heavy things.

If you already have an injury, you want to build up supporting muscles first so you don't end up making it worse, and start slow.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by locuscoeruleus on Friday November 10, 2023 @03:13AM (#38216389)
Competitive RTS, programming and being able to stand on my hands for minutes at the time left me with wrists that hurt all the time. After I started climbing all wrist and back pain has disappeared.
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by lm28469 on Friday November 10, 2023 @05:03AM (#38217028)
> the only real fix for me was going to the gym a lot.

> Strongly recommend.

It fixes most modern afflictions of sedentary < 60 years old people, very very strongly recommended indeed

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by rob74 on Friday November 10, 2023 @05:15AM (#38217121)
Not sure about wrist problems (fortunately I don't have any), but I can definitely say that it helped my lower back pain...
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by r2_pilot on Friday November 10, 2023 @08:19AM (#38218433)
>It fixes most modern afflictions of sedentary < 60 years old people

Under physical therapy supervision, my >60-year old mother is exercising fairly vigorously (for her age) and has been seeing great improvements in her overall health and strength, so don't let age be a factor and get professional help if needed.

Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by lm28469 on Friday November 10, 2023 @10:21AM (#38219940)
Oh yeah for sure, it's just that with age more and more things have more to do with luck and genetics than exercise, but it's still extremely important of course.
Re:Cursorless is alien magic from the future – Xe Iaso by brenainn on Friday November 10, 2023 @05:07AM (#38217068)
My remedy for the RSI in my right hand (stiffness and pain in the fingers and knuckles) is gripping as hard as possible. If I work out I remind myself to grip everything as hard as I possibly can, and I add light dumbbell exercises so I can specifically focus on gripping as hard as possible. If I'm at my desk or wherever I also occasionally make a fist as hard and tense as I can. The pain has gone away and my hand has its full range of motion again. Of course, for all I know I could be doing something wrong and my hand will blow out in a few years. Just adding my anecdotal experience.