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Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by ruined on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @10:35AM (#38191879)
note that this type of action is illegal in the united states
Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by toomuchtodo on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @10:40AM (#38191928)
Can you provide a citation?
Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by foobarian on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @10:49AM (#38192074)
To pick one of the examples above, could the USPS legally help out the strike by selectively rejecting packages going to/from Tesla addresses? My guess would be it would need to be a bottom up organization breaking company rules, probably isolated to some regions. Then again unions and striking was illegal during robber baron times too, but not necessarily immoral.
Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by lokar on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @10:56AM (#38192198)
In the past UPS teamsters have refused to cross picket lines to make deliveries.
Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by lightbritefight on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @01:38PM (#38194859)
That is an active stance of UPS. They wont cross picket lines to deliver.

Apparently their sotesre even has "Strike" listed as a reason for non delivery, option N:

https://twitter.com/RyanElward/status/1448819231567405056

Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by toomuchtodo on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @10:50AM (#38192090)
Indeed, there is nuance between outright illegal and bending the rules or taking actions that are effectively a strike without outright striking. Determine the desired outcome, seek a legal opinion from counsel, and build your strategy backwards from that. Perhaps you don't strike, but slow down, call out, whatever. "Are we on strike or we just collectively having an off day?"

In this specific example, if people like Elon can break the law without repercussions, it seems disingenuous to fault workers attempting to do the same (depending on where the actions fall between bending and breaking any specific law) to protect their rights, compensation, and working arrangements considering they're where they actual value comes from. Tesla is afraid of the precedent of labor having a role in their management and operations decisions (because Elon demands operating from a position of power against all), but they are fighting a losing battle (Sean Fein and the UAW in the US [1], incredibly high support of unions in the under 30 cohort in the US [2] [3] [4], etc).

> And among those on the frontlines are the nation's youngest workers leading the renewed push for labour unions. Gen Z is, according to the Center for American Progress, "the most pro-union generation alive today".

> "I think there's a growing understanding that if you have a job, you need a union," says Jaz Brisack. The now-26-year-old was one of the earliest leaders of union efforts at Starbucks in Buffalo, New York, in 2021.

[1] https://www.thestreet.com/electric-vehicles/uaw-president-sh...

[2] https://www.americanprogress.org/press/release-gen-z-is-the-...

[3] https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20230831-the-gen-zers-l...

[4] https://www.npr.org/2023/04/11/1169314853/union-rutgers-stri...

Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by toomuchtodo on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @07:14PM (#38199169)
Additional citation: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/uaw-pu... ("UAW to 'pull out all stops' organizing nonunion automakers")
Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by philbert101 on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @10:55AM (#38192179)
It’s the sympathy strike [1], part of the action which is illegal in many other countries, but not in Sweden.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_action

Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by heeton on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:41AM (#38192931)
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Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by rightbyte on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @12:11PM (#38193496)
Ye I thought sympathy strikes are a general strike somewhere else unrelated, to put social peer pressure on the leaders of company target of the actual strikes.
Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by gedy on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @10:36AM (#38191887)
This is to force unionization of Tesla?
Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by eddtries on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:38AM (#38192878)
It’s to force Tesla to sign the collective bargaining agreement for mechanics, guaranteeing a minimum salary/holiday allowance/pension
Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by VoxPelli on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @01:34PM (#38194796)
It’s to force Tesla to respect the agreed upon model of the Swedish labor market.

Instead of having the government decide everything we let the employer organizations and the unions negotiate deals that are adapted to the needs of the sector they are in.

The employers and workers knows much better what is needed to make companies and workers flourish and giving them the freedom to negotiate without having the government meddling with it – that has been very beneficial to Sweden.

In this agreement it has been understood that employers respect the strikes of workers and doesn’t replace striking workers with other workers.

Now Tesla is actively trying to circumvent the strikes and that is pretty much unheard of here and threatens to set a precedent that threatens the entire model of the Swedish labor market.

That’s why there are these strong sympathy strikes now – as Tesla responded to the first strike by attacking the very foundation of our employer-worker relation here in Sweden.

So it’s more than just forcing unionization, it’s about forcing Tesla to respect the Swedish labor market and how we collectively bargain here.

Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by ajhurliman on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @10:53AM (#38192151)
Actually, this would be considered a “secondary boycott” which is illegal in the US: “Secondary boycotts: These are strikes that are directed at someone other than the strikers’ employer.”
Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by bcrosby95 on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:53AM (#38193177)
I guess only corporations, and not unions, are people.
Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by dragonwriter on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:54AM (#38193191)
Unions mostly are also corporations.
Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by VoxPelli on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @01:28PM (#38194704)
They are non-profits?
Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by dragonwriter on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @01:32PM (#38194767)
Generally (most non-profits are also corporations, though other forms are possible.)
Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by lefstathiou on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:03AM (#38192327)
Mass coordinated boycotts by unrelated parties is severe market manipulation imo. Unions receive special status under law, this takes it too far.
Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by p_j_w on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:12AM (#38192476)
Mass coordinated boycotts aren't market manipulation, they're the real market in action.
Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by aaomidi on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @04:07PM (#38197032)
But no! They hurt the owner class so it’s bad!
Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by mrmanner on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:49AM (#38193093)
Some countries legislate minimum wages. Now that’s some market manipulation.

Strong unions working together are a small price to pay to keep the government from interfering.

Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by croes on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @12:05PM (#38193395)
Unrelated parties?

I think the same nationality makes them pretty related.

Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by rsynnott on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @12:15PM (#38193560)
_Market manipulation_? How on earth do you figure that?
Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by dontlaugh on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:31AM (#38192788)
Sadly this is correct. Same in the UK too.

It doesn't stop some unions from striking anyway, commonly called wildcat strikes.

Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by delfinom on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:45AM (#38193008)
"O no, the mail fell behind the shelf and we couldn't find it, we'll try again tomorrow and hopefully it doesn't fall behind the shelf again"

The benefit of a union, is nobody will say otherwise ;)

Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by UniverseHacker on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @12:08PM (#38193449)
So the benefit of a union is it that it encourages people to address conflicts in a childish and passive aggressive way that also causes collateral damage to uninvolved 3rd parties?
Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by vincnetas on Thursday November 09, 2023 @01:53AM (#38201948)
Do you want to read about the way Italians strike?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work-to-rule

aka Italian strike

Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by TraspSE on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @12:05PM (#38193390)
You also have minimum wages regulated by law. In Sweden, both strikes and minimum wages are regulated by the agreement Tesla is refusing to sign.

The union wants regulation, that's the whole point. Tesla only have themselves to blame for any action that stems from the decision to not sign a collective agreement.

PS. 90% of Swedish labor is covered by collective agreements that has been hammered out over the last century - it is custom to sign it and no one has brought in scabs for almost a century during a strike, forcing unions to step up their game. As Tesla threatens the Swedish model, it is a concern for all labor.

Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by 3seashells on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @03:03PM (#38196132)
Yeah and look how rundown it got them..
Re:Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla by vincnetas on Thursday November 09, 2023 @01:51AM (#38201940)
And it's sad that sympathy strike is illegal in some countries. It's like being able to defend your own family, but being denied to help any other not directly related person.

Like i see a women is being robed, but since she is not my wife i can't intervene and only can observe.