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Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by rcbdev on Friday October 27, 2023 @01:46AM (#38035106)
Interestingly, Kosovo is in multiple organizations that fall under "UN Specialized Agencies" (IMF, World Bank, etc.) and as such should have received a ccTLD over 10-15 years ago as per the UN's rules.

Instead, they have to keep the temporarily assigned .xk which the UN confirmed can never be a permanent ccTLD.

What is going to happen to all .xk sites once the UN finally gets around to publishing the bulletin on Kosovo's country code?

Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by j16sdiz on Friday October 27, 2023 @02:20AM (#38035269)
wait... Did UN have rules over ccTLD? I thought ICANN is not under UN.
Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by dukeofharen on Friday October 27, 2023 @02:27AM (#38035310)
If I'm not mistaken, ICANN uses the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 codes as country TLD's, so in a sense the UN indirectly specifies the rules for ICANN. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2
Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by gbxyz on Friday October 27, 2023 @02:59AM (#38035515)
The UN publishes a list of recognised member states. ISO maintains a list of codes. IANA uses that list to determine whether a country code TLD is valid. But that's the extent of the UN's involvement in the governance of the root zone.
Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by midasuni on Friday October 27, 2023 @03:28AM (#38035693)
There are plenty of TLDs for areas which aren’t countries, whcih don’t claim to be counties, which nobody recognises as countries. .gg and .gu for example.
Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by notRobot on Friday October 27, 2023 @05:18AM (#38036292)
Those are not ccTLDs though.
Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by midasuni on Friday October 27, 2023 @06:02AM (#38036594)
Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by notRobot on Friday October 27, 2023 @10:20AM (#38038793)
Oh, I was wrong. My bad.
Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by infinityio on Friday October 27, 2023 @06:12AM (#38036672)
are you sure? Wikipedia describes both as being country code tlds, and both have an official ISO 3166-1 code that matches their domain.
Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by infinityio on Friday October 27, 2023 @06:16AM (#38036708)
> The IANA is not in the business of deciding what is and what is not a country. The selection of the ISO 3166 list as a basis for country code top-level domain names was made with the knowledge that ISO has a procedure for determining which entities should be and should not be on that list.

Jon Postel, RFC 1591 (Domain Name System Structure and Delegation)

Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by pacija on Friday October 27, 2023 @02:24AM (#38035293)
There won't be any Kosovo country code because Kosovo is Serbia.

A few companies in Kosovo whose links and domains I maintain went for example-ks.com.

Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by jmopp on Friday October 27, 2023 @02:35AM (#38035362)
Taiwan is less recognised by the outside world than Kosovo is, and it has its own country code. Same with Palestine. Having a country code is only weakly related to being a country.
Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by sspiff on Friday October 27, 2023 @02:44AM (#38035427)
Ahem, the Republic of China is their preferred name.
Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by wodenokoto on Friday October 27, 2023 @03:05AM (#38035550)
No, it’s the official name. Do you also correct people who say “France” or “Germany” to say “Republic of France” and “Federal Republic of Germany”?

Like, what’s even your point?

Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by rob74 on Friday October 27, 2023 @03:18AM (#38035638)
The point is that Taiwan claims to be the legitimate government of the whole of China (being the island where the former government fled to when the Communists took over the rest of the country - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Civil_War), and they express that by using "Republic of China" (as opposed to "People's Republic of China"). Similar to how there used to be a "Federal Republic of Germany" and a "German Democratic Republic". You could call both "Germany", but that would be confusing...
Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by jowea on Friday October 27, 2023 @04:00AM (#38035861)
That's mostly a symbolic legal fiction. And I'm guessing here but at least the half of the country who wants to be independent might prefer to be called Taiwan rather than RoC in casual conversation.
Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by shiomiru on Friday October 27, 2023 @04:05AM (#38035900)
It is not confusing at all. Taiwan is a commonly used name for the ROC, and (mainland) China is generally understood as a reference to the PRC.

Since the de facto territories of the two states are common knowledge, you can unambiguously refer to them just by mentioning their rough position on the map. Similarly, East/West Germany were not officially called East/West Germany, and it was not the official name of either country, but people still understood what the words meant.

Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by arp242 on Friday October 27, 2023 @11:43AM (#38040017)
> The point is that Taiwan claims to be the legitimate government of the whole of China

Not since the early 90s.

Well actually it's a bit more complex since there are multiple parties and they disagree, and there's some nuance (e.g. "one China" but without actually defining what that means, exactly). But "Taiwan claims to be the legitimate government of the whole of China" is woefully outdated and incorrect.

Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by midasuni on Friday October 27, 2023 @03:11AM (#38035585)
.aq, .ad, .eh, .eu, .io, .krd, .mo, .su come to mind.

As does rfc1591

“The IANA is not in the business of deciding what is and what is not a country.”

Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by BonoboIO on Friday October 27, 2023 @02:53AM (#38035476)
Well the people of Kosovo don’t think that way.
Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by paddim8 on Friday October 27, 2023 @03:45AM (#38035784)
Serbian detected. Kosovo is a country.
Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by dotemacs on Friday October 27, 2023 @04:44AM (#38036076)
> Kosovo is a country.

Not according to the international community and international law.

The majority of the UN recognised countries, 106 do not recognise it. Whilst only 94 do.

The same way that Afghan democratic government melted away, when the US troops withdrew, so will "Kosovo" go.

Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by dragonwriter on Friday October 27, 2023 @04:56AM (#38036158)
> The majority of the UN recognised countries, 106 do not recognize it.

A majority -- 102 of 193 -- UN members do recognize it. You may be counting some (though with your number, I think not all) of the false claims of withdrawal of recognition by other states which have been issued by the governments or state-affiliated media of Serbia and/or Russia, but later refuted by the governments in question, as being true.

Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by rcbdev on Thursday November 02, 2023 @03:27AM (#38110047)
Please remove your nationalistic genocidal support from this site for tech talk.

Kosovo will not "go" away just because you like Milosevic decide to murder more Albanians - This is completely disregarding the fact that Serbia is an island of nationalism and revisionism clinging to the past, surrounded by democracies living in the present day.

Serbia will never again have the capacity to execute on these misguided beliefs.

Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by gbxyz on Friday October 27, 2023 @02:57AM (#38035506)
Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by zdimension on Friday October 27, 2023 @06:45AM (#38036877)
As the parent comment said, it's a temporary TLD, so by design it does not appear in the root listing. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.xk
Re:Yugoslavia's Digital Twin: when a country's internet doma... by gbxyz on Thursday November 02, 2023 @01:20PM (#38116920)
It has never been present in the DNS root zone. A TLD that doesn't exist in the DNS is not really a TLD, is it?