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Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by INTPenis on Thursday October 26, 2023 @04:53AM (#38023297)
>a good police force

What do you expect the police to do in this situation? They can't just walk into people's homes over your word. OP at least had a noise which in the states I assume is probable cause or something. And even then they'd have to come back with a warrant but got the headphones because the suspect felt defeated.

Your situation is bizarre, the helpless feeling of knowing where your stolen item is and not be able to do anything about it. But it's not solvable by the police unless you have more evidence. For example you could have recorded your neighbor saying those things to you.

Here in Sweden petty theft is 99% an insurance issue. I even heard one case where their boat was stolen with an airtag on it and it was traced to a particular driveway.

The police here won't even pick up the case, it goes into a pile of other theft cases and the owner can use the ID to file an insurance claim.

It's very sad on the surface. But maybe they have their reasons.

Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by guntherhermann on Thursday October 26, 2023 @05:02AM (#38023355)
>The POD had a photo of the front door and the person. I recognised the front door as it was on a local estate.

What more evidence do you need?

Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by INTPenis on Thursday October 26, 2023 @05:29AM (#38023502)
Ok I just read on a delivery company website that they have in fact started taking photos of the moment of delivery. Wow. That is incredible.

Here I always opt for delivery at a pick up location and use my electronic ID to pick it up so I had never expected delivery drivers to take, and store, photos of people.

Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by 4ndr3vv on Thursday October 26, 2023 @09:13AM (#38025070)
Had a delivery yesterday where the driver (Evri) had to wave his handheld around for a bit, as it wouldnt let him confim delivery as it thought he was 100m down the road!
Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by baz00 on Thursday October 26, 2023 @01:39PM (#38029005)
Evri / Hermes have got their act together recently. Least unreliable delivery company.
Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by razakel on Friday October 27, 2023 @04:18AM (#38035978)
They're called that because they fuck up Evri delivery.

"Your parcel is on the way."

"Your parcel is being used as a football by the warehouse staff."

"Your parcel is in Antarctica."

"Your parcel has somehow been delivered to your roof."

Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by HeyLaughingBoy on Thursday October 26, 2023 @03:49PM (#38030830)
I had this happen with FedEx a couple weeks ago for the first time. We get a lot of packages so I was surprised.

The delivery person gave me the box then ran back to me as I was walking away. "I have to take a photo to prove I delivered it." He puts it down on the ground and photographs it. Not sure what a picture of a box on a nondescript driveway would prove, but I guess he had to do it.

Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by kwhitefoot on Friday October 27, 2023 @11:33AM (#38039862)
Photos are useless unless they are photos of the person and goods together. A DHL courier claimed that I had signed for a package and claimed that a picture of my postbox with an envelope in it was proof of delivery.
Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by bloqs on Thursday October 26, 2023 @05:27AM (#38023490)
They have no reasons other than budget induced apathy. The evidence of a crime is available and their lack of willingness to act is seriously telling
Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by helsinkiandrew on Thursday October 26, 2023 @07:05AM (#38024013)
> They have no reasons other than budget induced apathy

I'm not sure that's the case - the UK police are rigorously judged on the amount of cases they solve. If it was a slam dunk they would have done it.

Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by oynqr on Thursday October 26, 2023 @08:56AM (#38024891)
Is that why they book butter knives as real weapons?
Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by helsinkiandrew on Friday October 27, 2023 @02:13AM (#38035235)
A dull blade is more dangerous than a sharp one!
Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by porkbeer on Saturday October 28, 2023 @08:29PM (#38054778)
Plenty of dull blades around, many of them walking about.
Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by stef25 on Thursday October 26, 2023 @05:31AM (#38023513)
> They can't just walk into people's homes over your word

Office I was kidnapped, taken to this address and violently raped. "Sorry we just walk in to people's homes over your word" ? Half a dozen other scenarios come to mind.

Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by giantg2 on Thursday October 26, 2023 @06:40AM (#38023872)
Sure, there are emergency circumstances exceptions (not the case in this scenario). In general you would need a warrant with probable cause. That probable cause to get the warrant could be your sworn statement.

So they can't just walk in over your word. I has to be your word plus either a warrant or exigent circumstance.

Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by Wytwwww on Thursday October 26, 2023 @05:56AM (#38023646)
> But maybe they have their reasons.

Like what reasons? It's somewhat understandable that police might not want to investigate theft of relatively cheap item because they have to prioritize. But a stolen boat? At the very least it warrants some further investigation. Them dismissing it outright just seems bizarre since they do have some evidence they at least should come and talk to the owner.

Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by yardstick on Thursday October 26, 2023 @05:56AM (#38023647)
> OP at least had a noise which in the states I assume is probable cause or something.

Isn’t a signal that is within a few feet of the door you want to enter good enough? It’s more authenticate than some random noise - you know it’s your device and not some random device emitting find my data.

Sounds like policing or judicial approach is outdated. If a police officer sees the stolen goods inside via a window, they can enter right? How are RF waves that they can see coming inside the property, and uniquely identify the property, any different?

Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by giantg2 on Thursday October 26, 2023 @06:51AM (#38023936)
It's not a random noise if you can trigger it. Better to have the signal and the controlled noise if possible. You can't see the RF waves in the same way as sight. It is possible that the RF is ducting or has some other propagation phenomenon. And that's assuming you are even able to connect to the device and not just viewing it's location through the network, which could have precise location issues. Two sources are better than one.
Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by baz00 on Thursday October 26, 2023 @06:23AM (#38023785)
I had a POD, invoice, proof of purchase with serial number on it.

Basically evidence.

If the police can't take evidence and solve a crime then fuck 'em.

Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by dist-epoch on Thursday October 26, 2023 @06:35AM (#38023843)
That's not really enough since you could for example have sold the device to him and then call the police.

BTW, I've been at the opposite end, also in UK. I was wrongly accused of picking up someone's Amazon package, the police got involved, they showed up at my door and said something like "could you check again in your apartment if you maybe by mistake have picked up the package".

I suggested to the police to investigate the common areas cameras in the building to see who the Amazon delivery person left the package with, but I don't think they bothered since it probably involves a search warrant.

And that was it, nothing happened. Amazon eventually reimbursed the other person and ate the loss.

Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by baz00 on Thursday October 26, 2023 @06:38AM (#38023862)
I could have indeed but that would be his risk if he didn't obtain proof of purchase or take an invoice or sales receipt from me.

Paperwork exists for a reason.

Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by dist-epoch on Thursday October 26, 2023 @06:41AM (#38023882)
Right. The point is that it would require a full police investigation, interviews, etc...

In my view at fault in these cases is the delivery company, they are in a hurry and don't bother doing a proper job. If they would be forced to eat the cost, this wouldn't happen anymore. Basically they are outsourcing their job to the police force.

Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by baz00 on Thursday October 26, 2023 @06:43AM (#38023886)
AFAIK I pay for taxes to get a police force that does this no?
Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by bomewish on Saturday October 28, 2023 @02:31AM (#38047658)
That’s the point of the cops bro.
Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by coldtea on Thursday October 26, 2023 @06:34AM (#38023834)
>What do you expect the police to do in this situation? They can't just walk into people's homes over your word.

He had ordered it, so had the order, he had the delivery picture, and so on.

And even if people can't just "walk into people's homes over your word" they could still knock on them, question the person, and investigate the theft complaint.

Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by EGreg on Thursday October 26, 2023 @07:55AM (#38024373)
Sad? Non-violent crime such as parking tickets, littering, playing the music too loud and petty theft should not involve armed officers showing up. This presents needless chances for escalation.

The “defund the police” movement was onto something - but it has to be spelled out. - offload many of their jobs to metermaids and other ticket-issuers and keep armed POLICE for things like robberies, no-knock raids, breaking up fights and arresting violent criminals etc.

Most civil disputes can be - and are - handled by banks and insurance companies. This includes auto accidents and credit card chargebacks. Not even the justice system (public courts) need to get involved, they handle thousands of cases a day.

But don’t let everyone write tickets or it will go too far: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vJYaXy5mmA8

Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by robertlagrant on Thursday October 26, 2023 @05:00PM (#38031630)
> The “defund the police” movement was onto something - but it has to be spelled out. - offload many of their jobs to metermaids and other ticket-issuers and keep armed POLICE for things like robberies, no-knock raids, breaking up fights and arresting violent criminals etc.

This is hugely different to what I understood from anyone in favour of defunding the police to mean.

Re:How to find a lost phone in a no-cell-coverage camping site? by starfleet_bop on Saturday October 28, 2023 @06:04PM (#38053827)
File a civil claim, burden of proof is even lower.