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Re:Sergey Brin's Airship Gets FAA Clearance by ChuckMcM on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @02:29PM (#38016408)
This will be entertaining, kind of steam punk like.

I expect that they are really designing for hydrogen lift, the economics become a lot better and pretty much everyone understands what killed the Hindenberg wasn't the hydrogen rather it was the outer skin catching fire. "Teldar"[1] (I think that is a wonderfully stupid name) is much less flammable. If you ask "Why hydrogen?" The reasoning goes like this; The value of an airship is determined by its range and its cargo capacity raising either increases the airships suitability for various tasks. Hydrogen provides 8% greater lift per cubic liter over helium and costs 1/10th what helium does to source and supply. So economically it just makes more sense but we haven't had hydrogen airships because of the public perception of their danger (and thus the lack of investment). Anyway, there are some great applications for dirigibles and "disaster relief" and "heavy lift" are but two. Something about being able to just sit there for hours over a point that is unreachable by land is pretty appealing.

[1] https://www.dupont.com/content/dam/dupont/amer/us/en/tedlar-...

Re:Sergey Brin's Airship Gets FAA Clearance by woleium on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @02:32PM (#38016444)
I suspect they will be using the learnings of project loon to use air currents and ai to provide heavy lift from anywhere to anywhere.

A competitor to the Mississippi River system!

Re:Sergey Brin's Airship Gets FAA Clearance by kridsdale3 on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @04:39PM (#38018050)
Does Sergey automatically have access to the IP produced by one of his companies, to give to another?
Re:Sergey Brin's Airship Gets FAA Clearance by mpercy on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @04:54PM (#38018249)
He has the advantage of knowing what is there and they can create an arrangement to license or sell the IP to another entity… if it’s just gathering dust, why not?
Re:Sergey Brin's Airship Gets FAA Clearance by coffeebeqn on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @02:31PM (#38016434)
I’m first reminded of final fantasy games. They (at least used to) always have a guy called Cid who would give you a airship to hop around the map quickly
Re:Sergey Brin's Airship Gets FAA Clearance by kridsdale3 on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @04:39PM (#38018063)
AFAIK (have not played 16) there is still a Cid in each one.
Re:Sergey Brin's Airship Gets FAA Clearance by worik on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @03:10PM (#38016939)
Yes

> "Why hydrogen?" The reasoning goes like this; The value of an airship is determined by its range and its cargo capacity raising either increases the airships suitability for various tasks. Hydrogen provides 8% greater lift per cubic liter over helium and costs 1/10th what helium does

You are making an error

Applying purely rational considerations to what will be an emotional decision

Weep...

Re:Sergey Brin's Airship Gets FAA Clearance by njarboe on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @04:06PM (#38017612)
If you are just moving cargo and not passengers, hopefully our world is not so broken that emotional decisions will be of first importance.
Re:Sergey Brin's Airship Gets FAA Clearance by kalupa on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @04:14PM (#38017730)
if that were true, then we'd all have switched to nuclear. Of course cost is a consideration, but Germany is a great example of irrationally changing course on power generation
Re:Sergey Brin's Airship Gets FAA Clearance by lamontcg on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @03:15PM (#38016980)
> and costs 1/10th what helium does to source and supply.

I can't imagine what this this would do to helium prices if we had widespread helium airships. I've got a full set of doubles with 18/45 (45% helium in them) out in my garage right now that could become my retirement savings.

Re:Sergey Brin's Airship Gets FAA Clearance by amenghra on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @03:36PM (#38017221)
Doesn’t helium leak out of all containers? Ie there might not be much left if your retirement is a long way away.
Re:Sergey Brin's Airship Gets FAA Clearance by lamontcg on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @05:52PM (#38018869)
reddit suggests not, unless the valve is compromised:

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskEngineers/comments/3eqnqo/will_h...

Re:Sergey Brin's Airship Gets FAA Clearance by vGPU on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @05:38PM (#38018753)
What is a “double”?
Re:Sergey Brin's Airship Gets FAA Clearance by lamontcg on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @05:51PM (#38018864)
sorry, double scuba tanks, this kind of thing:

https://www.johnchatterton.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/cr...

Re:Sergey Brin's Airship Gets FAA Clearance by r3trohack3r on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @07:42PM (#38019810)
I think that's the advantage of hydrogen.

I'm not sure it would meaningfully impact hydrogen prices if we had widespread hydrogen ships.

For example, you can generate fairly pure hydrogen on-demand by passing electricity through water. Hydrogen is abundant and can be generated on-demand with low-tech tools from any water source.

Re:Sergey Brin's Airship Gets FAA Clearance by nradov on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @11:03PM (#38021187)
It won't impact helium prices. Almost no helium is used for airships today. Most goes for industrial and cooling systems.

As a fellow diver, open circuit helium mix diving is probably not going to be sustainable. We'll probably all have to switch to rebreathers soon.

Re:Sergey Brin's Airship Gets FAA Clearance by smolder on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @03:50PM (#38017390)
It seems like a nice bonus that hydrogen can also be used as fuel. All the hydrogen used for buoyancy control somewhat obviates the need to haul another liquid fuel or heavy batteries.
Re:Sergey Brin's Airship Gets FAA Clearance by dr_dshiv on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @05:31PM (#38018662)
You can also conveniently “mine” hydrogen in the sky.
Re:Sergey Brin's Airship Gets FAA Clearance by angiosperm on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @09:37PM (#38020676)
it was the outer skin catching fire

This claim is always trotted out, but is false. The kerosene fuel produced the visible flames, while the hydrogen burned mostly invisibly. The skin mostly survived. Another common and false claim was that a bomb started it. No, it was the leaking hydrogen that ignited.

This doesn't mean a modern, unmanned airship shouldn't use hydrogen for lift. Adequate ventilation prevents ignition of leaks, and modern sensors can detect leaks. Harvesting humidity to replenish losses, using solar panels all over the top of it, is a reasonable design choice.

Re:Sergey Brin's Airship Gets FAA Clearance by mkl on Thursday October 26, 2023 @02:02AM (#38022174)
>> it was the outer skin catching fire

> This claim is always trotted out, but is false. [...] The skin mostly survived.

Really? You can see the skin burning away in the photos and film: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindenburg_disaster

Re:Sergey Brin's Airship Gets FAA Clearance by angiosperm on Thursday November 02, 2023 @04:59PM (#38120071)
Yes, but it ignited last, not first.