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Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by skeletal88 on Thursday October 19, 2023 @05:30AM (#37940512)
In 1984 they don't have laws, only crimes, so whatever you do, you have to guess if it is illegal and will be punished or not. It is on purpose to keep the population in constant fear
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by pjmlp on Thursday October 19, 2023 @05:50AM (#37940639)
Don't need for book references, that is how it is today in many countries, and it has been always in less democratic societies.
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by btparker on Thursday October 19, 2023 @06:04AM (#37940722)
Yeah! How dare they, referencing literature.
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by pjmlp on Thursday October 19, 2023 @06:08AM (#37940749)
That wasn't the point, no need for literature references when you can enjoy that kind of life today when living in less fortunate regions.
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by absrec on Thursday October 19, 2023 @07:25AM (#37941316)
Draconian IT laws mean that in many countries you could be persecuted for threatening national security as a blanket rule with indefinitely the long harassment called investigation.
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by pjmlp on Thursday October 19, 2023 @07:35AM (#37941422)
They are already in place in such countries, plenty of people suffer through them daily.
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by K0balt on Thursday October 19, 2023 @07:56AM (#37941646)
Or, just dealing with FAANG
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by steve1977 on Thursday October 19, 2023 @07:03AM (#37941151)
Your sarcasm has been noted and recorded.
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by mysterydip on Thursday October 19, 2023 @07:16AM (#37941241)
Everything you do has been noted and recorded. We'll determine later if it's something we don't like in the future.
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by doubled112 on Thursday October 19, 2023 @07:25AM (#37941312)
This concept scares me more than most.
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by vertis on Thursday October 19, 2023 @09:50AM (#37942893)
The fact that is scares you has been noted. Someone will contact you shortly.
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by brookst on Thursday October 19, 2023 @10:04AM (#37943087)
The fact you noted that has been noted.
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by doubled112 on Thursday October 19, 2023 @11:33AM (#37944311)
It's not that somebody might contact me shortly.

It is that somebody might contact me in 10 years, and at that point I'll have no idea about the context or how to "defend myself" because I won't know what they're talking about.

Maybe it's far fetched, I don't know, but it's a possibility. An interesting thought exercise if nothing else.

Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by krapp on Thursday October 19, 2023 @07:16AM (#37941237)
Referencing 1984, Brave New World and that quote about freedom of speech that Voltaire never actually said make up the holy trinity of pseudo-intellectual posturing on the internet.
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by account-5 on Thursday October 19, 2023 @07:36AM (#37941440)
Yeah it was Voltaire's biographer who was describing what she thought was Voltaire's thinking at the time. Still a good quote though regardless of source.
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by brookst on Thursday October 19, 2023 @10:06AM (#37943109)
“1984 was dystopian, and anything I don’t like is dystopian, therefore anything I don’t like is straight out of 1984”
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by kukkeliskuu on Thursday October 19, 2023 @08:20AM (#37941839)
When you see a phenomena described in literature, you have some emotional distance to it. It may be more easy for you to accept the possibility that such a phenomena can exist.

Sometimes people cannot bear to see the phenomena in real life even if it is very clear for many people. Life is complex, so there are always many opportunities for weave a narrative to explain away phenomena that you cannot bear to see.

Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by pjmlp on Thursday October 19, 2023 @09:25AM (#37942562)
Having been born as the first free generation on a post ditactorship Portugal, I definitly have another relationship growing up to stories from PIDE/DGS and colonial war survivors.

And I should note, compared to some countries, things were relatively soft on our case.

Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by kukkeliskuu on Friday October 20, 2023 @01:00AM (#37952528)
Yes, I believe you. However, other people may react differently from you, and they may react even more strongly if they have been living in the dictatorship themselves. I have spent some time in dictatorships, and it is not uncommon for some people to admire the strength of the dictator. Living in a situation changes how you think, and the more stressful the situation, the more you become emotionally committed to how you think, making it difficult to change it.
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by hackerlight on Thursday October 19, 2023 @06:28AM (#37940881)
Fear isn't the point here. It's just normal corporate ass covering. If you don't know, you can't complain coherently.
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by seanhunter on Thursday October 19, 2023 @07:39AM (#37941477)
Having been part of conversations with a corporate legal team about making clear policies available to explain these types of decisions, I’m sad to say it’s this and they sort of have a point.

One of the problems is if you make a specific policy available and for whatever reason you can be shown not to follow that policy (like say you’re being an intelligent human being and exercising discretion) and someone is harmed they can potentially have a cause of action. So lawyers will often bias towards making the process as opaque as possible as a defence against litigation. Someone can’t claim to have been harmed by relying on a policy that says you will take a particular action if you never commit to doing that.

It’s one of the ways a culture of civil litigation makes things worse for people by creating perverse incentives.

Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by philipov on Thursday October 19, 2023 @10:31AM (#37943418)
> None of which is intended to let Facebook off the hook. There are better ways of doing this that don’t involve banning people for life without explaining (clearly) but I at least do understand how we got to this ridiculous state of affairs.

The conclusion people should draw from this is that companies as big as Facebook should not be allowed to exist. They can get away with this because they have too much leverage in the vendor-client power balance.

Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by johnnyanmac on Thursday October 19, 2023 @11:30AM (#37944262)
> companies as big as Facebook should not be allowed to exist

how would you solve that? A big problem is that the primary product isn't in and of itself that profitable. So it's hard to encourage competition there. And if you can't ask for money from the consumer you resort to ads.

Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by roydivision on Thursday October 19, 2023 @07:27AM (#37941336)
Em, this is a private company. I see what you mean, but this hardly points to some dystopia.
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by LightHugger on Thursday October 19, 2023 @07:32AM (#37941392)
That's cute. With sufficient size and influence over your life, a private company is a form of government.
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by malka on Thursday October 19, 2023 @10:34AM (#37943463)
sounds like an argument for nationalization.
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by ryandrake on Thursday October 19, 2023 @10:48AM (#37943654)
Meta only has as much influence over our lives as we give it. I don't use Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, or any Meta product. What influence does the company have over me that even remotely rises to the level of "government?"
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by philpem on Thursday October 19, 2023 @11:14AM (#37944007)
Bingo.

Even a relatively tiny company can have a huge impact on your life. Say you're interested in a niche hobby, so niche there's only one company who organises meet-ups and events around that hobby. The best friend of the chairman runs the main online forum for that hobby.

If you have a falling-out with either of those people, or their friends - you're going to lose all the social aspects of your hobby, and they're probably going to slander you to everyone they know. And people will repeat the lies, assuming that the chairman of the major event of the niche hobby wouldn't lie... and on and on.

The people who seek these roles absolutely love this, though homeowners' associations are probably the more familiar example of the same power structures.

Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by johnnyanmac on Thursday October 19, 2023 @11:34AM (#37944332)
>so niche there's only one company who organises meet-ups and events around that hobby.

If it's that niche that no one else forms groups around it, that sounds like an issue in and of itself.

>If you have a falling-out with either of those people, or their friends - you're going to lose all the social aspects of your hobby, and they're probably going to slander you to everyone they know.

sounds like your average small town experience. People can be cruel, they don't need a company to enable that.

Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by roydivision on Friday October 20, 2023 @09:27AM (#37955676)
That's your choice, law is not
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by garba_dlm on Thursday October 19, 2023 @07:34AM (#37941408)
sure, ok... but in some places it functions as a public utility

further, there was a principle of roman law that forbids this... then again the USA is not following those principles (civil law) but common law which means you can disregard what I say

you seem like you haven't actually read the referenced book, but only heard about it

Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by K0balt on Thursday October 19, 2023 @08:03AM (#37941697)
When a company becomes pervasive enough to become a feature of the ambient social, commercial or economic environment, the argument of “its a private company” loses its validity.

At that point the company serves a vital public function, and its rules and actions bleed into public governance.

Which is a great argument for limiting the scope and size of companies that interface directly with the public.

Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by kobalsky on Thursday October 19, 2023 @08:04AM (#37941706)
wasn’t this mere private company recently in the spotlight for a scandal related to getting a us president elected through manipulation ?

maybe you should be holding them to a different set of standards

Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by nrdxp on Thursday October 19, 2023 @09:11AM (#37942409)
This endlessly parroted argument argument is so tired and lazy already. How big do these companies have to get before you turn your brain back on?
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by squarefoot on Thursday October 19, 2023 @10:01AM (#37943047)
Exactly. This is a private company, and unlike a nation in which you can still have some word with your vote by becoming automatically a citizen from birth, you must buy your place as a shareholder in order to have a voice in whatever direction the company is going to. Now imagine a private company that slowly eats every spot in which users could buy or sell product and services; what would happen if say they one day decide to limit your business in there? Indeed you can still breathe, but the western world you're pretty much dead in every other way.
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by henry2023 on Thursday October 19, 2023 @10:02AM (#37943058)
1 in 4 people in the world has an account in this private company.
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by roydivision on Friday October 20, 2023 @09:25AM (#37955652)
And they would do well to understand what that actually means
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by weinzierl on Thursday October 19, 2023 @07:49AM (#37941581)
Franz (not Apache) Kafka's The Trial also fits the situation:

"[..] the story of a man arrested and prosecuted by a remote, inaccessible authority, with the nature of his crime revealed neither to him nor to the reader."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Kafka

Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by kmlx on Thursday October 19, 2023 @07:54AM (#37941628)
every time someone mentions Kafka here i get reminded of his works and every time the comment is about Apache Kafka :)
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by weinzierl on Thursday October 19, 2023 @08:39AM (#37942038)
In the 90s I had heard about this software you needed to publish web pages called 'Apache' so I googled it on Altavista expecting it to be hard to find amongst all the content about the Native American tribes. To my big surprise it was the web server that was at the very top of the search results.

Today when I search for 'Kafka' on Google I get 'Apache Kafka' first and I'm still surprised. I never learn;-)

Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by bombcar on Thursday October 19, 2023 @08:45AM (#37942117)
> googled it on Altavista

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

Maybe I can bing it in Hotbot.

Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by ivanmontillam on Thursday October 19, 2023 @09:43AM (#37942800)
I sometimes find myself saying "maybe do the math in Google's Excel"
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by miki123211 on Thursday October 19, 2023 @09:53AM (#37942925)
The fact that it's at the top now is not surprising, Google probably knows you're a programmer and is likely to show you programming-related results.

Even if you turn off all tracking and use a private window, there are ways. In my case, the combination of a Polish IP address, Safari on Mac OS and English as the browser language is enough to profile me as "tech-savvy, probably interested in science and edutainment, not in funny cute cat videos, Polish politics and sports." The Youtube home feed is a testament to this. If I change my location to the UK (with a VPN), that feed suddenly becomes a lot more generic.

Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by weinzierl on Thursday October 19, 2023 @10:36AM (#37943487)
"Google probably knows you're a programmer"

I do everything in my power that it doesn't, but your point still stands.

My somewhat creepy story about this is that at some point I got lots of COPD related search results and ads and I didn't even know what this is at the time. After a few weeks my neighbors wife died from it.

I can only assume that my neighbors and other people in the house searched for it a lot in these weeks and Google thought I must be interested in this topic too.

Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by klibertp on Thursday October 19, 2023 @10:19AM (#37943283)
No. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kafka also mentions Apache Kafka before Franz's wiki page. DDG's very existence hinges on NOT profiling you, in any way.
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by codetrotter on Thursday October 19, 2023 @10:36AM (#37943488)
For me DDG shows a fact card at the top about Franz Kafka, linking to the Wikipedia page about him. After that comes the search results, of which the first one is about Apache Kafka.
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by weinzierl on Thursday October 19, 2023 @10:39AM (#37943540)
I see the same on DDG, but Bing has Franz first for me.
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by miki123211 on Thursday October 19, 2023 @12:11PM (#37944803)
DDG's userbase is also pretty particular, though.

Your average DDG user is somewhat privacy conscious, so they probably know much more about tech tan your average Google user, and are a lot more likely to be a programmer than anybody studying literature.

If you base your algorithm purely on what results get clicks (but not on who clicks them), you essentially target your average user.

Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by klibertp on Thursday October 19, 2023 @12:32PM (#37945056)
I think it's just the combination of a direct match in a subdomain name, the popular and widely linked to domain name, and lack of any other context in query.

I don't remember whether DDG does anything to the scores it gets from Bing. They might, but then - taking into account how particular its users are... - the poor Franz K. would be on the third page, far behind even a Kafka library for Franz Lisp. (No, that's not a thing. A shame, I know.)

Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by kmeisthax on Thursday October 19, 2023 @10:27AM (#37943377)
Big Tech went in so hard on right-libertarianism that they reinvented Maoism.
Re:I'm banned for life from advertising on Meta. Because I t... by lainga on Thursday October 19, 2023 @11:02AM (#37943856)
True Marxism is called that by / the extreme left. / Occasionally the true left calls / a spade a spade and tells the left it’s right.

https://www.opera-arias.com/adams/nixon-in-china/libretto/