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Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by tjrgergw on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @06:21AM (#37926815)
British people love old stuff like Americans love cars and guns.
Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by wil421 on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @06:38AM (#37926915)
The city adjacent to me has a law that all heads of households must have a firearm. In response to the gun law, the next city over created a law everyone need to have a rake for leaves. Unlike the straw bale laws, we don’t take it seriously.

It’s also illegal to tie a giraffe to a telephone pole or street lamp. In another city it’s illegal to eat fried chicken with anything but your hands.

Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by DaiPlusPlus on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @06:45AM (#37926954)
> The city adjacent to me has a law that all heads of households must have a firearm

Oklahoma?

Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by gmcharlt on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @07:41AM (#37927304)
Dunno about Oklahoma, but Kennesaw, Georgia, does have a gun ownership requirement, passed in 1982 in response to Morton Grove, Illinois, banning handguns. Kennesaw's neighbor, Acworth, is the one with the rake ownership requirement -- passed in response to Kenneswaw's gun law -- though it is not immediately clear to me whether that ordinance is still in effect.
Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by Mountain_Skies on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @08:25AM (#37927628)
Kennesaw's law allowed for conscientious objection and had no penalty for non compliance so it was effectively dead when passed but did make quite the splash in the international press. Crime rates in Kennesaw did drop significantly after the law was passed but the same was true for surrounding communities without the law, most likely due to them becoming affluent bedroom communities for Atlanta's white collar class.
Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by smeej on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @07:03AM (#37927057)
I wish we had the back stories on more of these. Who was it who tied a giraffe to a telephone pole? What disaster ensued, such that "there oughtta be a law!"?
Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by KineticLensman on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @07:18AM (#37927151)
> I wish we had the back stories on more of these. Who was it who tied a giraffe to a telephone pole?

(Teeters on the edge of this rabbit hole. Pulls back just in time)

Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by extraduder_ire on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @10:31AM (#37929218)
I would guess it's not giraffe's specifically, but anything besides a horse or any animal more massive than a dog in the actual law.

Most of these wacky laws are usually special cases rather than the verbatim text of the law. At least the ones I've looked into.

Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by walthamstow on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @06:34AM (#37926889)
I don't know if you've ever been to London, Rome or Kyoto, but Americans actually fucking love old stuff
Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by breakfastduck on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @06:48AM (#37926970)
Only because they're so deprived of it in their own country.
Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by gadders on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @07:08AM (#37927075)
They should visit our thousand (nearly) year old door: https://www.westminster-abbey.org/history/explore-our-histor...

I'm a Brit and didn't realise until recently that England is one of the world's oldest countries (927 AD).

Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by arethuza on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @07:22AM (#37927176)
And as a Scot I should point out that Scotland is about a century older at 843 AD - but then neither have really existed as separate countries for centuries. ;-)
Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by dwighttk on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @07:32AM (#37927250)
927 - 1066 doesn’t seem that old to me ;)
Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by gadders on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @08:03AM (#37927458)
Show your working.
Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by dwighttk on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @10:05AM (#37928863)
Cf. Bayeux tapestry
Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by dukeyukey on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @12:24PM (#37930979)
1066 was just another guy coming to claim the throne. You wouldn't say a company was abolished when it gets a new CEO, and you shouldn't say a country is no more when someone claims the throne.
Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by dwighttk on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @12:32PM (#37931090)
I would if the new ceo quartered the old one.
Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by gadders on Friday October 20, 2023 @09:49AM (#37955951)
So France only dates from 1945?
Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by defrost on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @07:53AM (#37927379)
Gosh, that's a bit over a thousand years.

How do you define country? Continuous occupation and law?

I remember talking to David M as a kid about the works he kept touched up and the stories that went with them.

https://www.magabala.com/products/yorro-yorro

https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/australia-s-oldest-k...

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature21416

Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by gadders on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @08:07AM (#37927492)
From when Æthelstan the Glorious created the kingdom.

//edit// Some of your links just show that some people lived on that bit of land. I think you need more to claim a country.

Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by defrost on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @08:13AM (#37927538)
They establish continuous occupation by the same bloodlines, I asked what the definion of country is - there's oral history and law going back along with the paintings.

Bear in mind passports are only relatively recent objects.

Also worth pointing out the British tried that "I think you need something more" line with Terra Nullius .. and their own legal system ditched that as rubbish:

https://australian.museum/learn/first-nations/unsettled/reco...

Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by relaxing on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @09:22AM (#37928263)
> How do you define country?

Not having anyone say you're a different country, aka sovereignty.

Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by defrost on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @09:33AM (#37928426)
That's your "definition" of country?

These countries:

https://mgnsw.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/map_col_high...

remained sovereign for tens of thousands of years.

Whereas, for example, the "United Kingdom" as a country (of four kingdoms) only dates back to 1801, prior to which there was a long history of contested sovereignty claims, there's some interesting paperwork declaring a King of Scotland as a the King of England, etc.

Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by gadders on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @09:38AM (#37928492)
My OP specifically mentioned "England".
Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by defrost on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @09:42AM (#37928538)
That might have some relevance were you 'relaxing' who I was replying to.

Do you have a definition of what makes a country yet?

This question of oldest country that you've laid claim to does rather rest on something that works about the globe so that we can compare.

The "definition" (as such) provided by 'relaxing' fails England as England has been claimed by a Scottish King to be his realm.

I'm with you though, I reject that definition.

Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by rsynnott on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @11:28AM (#37930073)
I don't think that one works for England; see W. T. Conqueror.
Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by gadders on Friday October 20, 2023 @09:48AM (#37955941)
Just because a country gets conquered, it doesn't stop being that country. England didn't change borders when the Normans invaded.

You might as well say France only dates from 1945 if we follow your logic.

Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by kypro on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @09:39AM (#37928498)
Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by dugmartin on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @11:25AM (#37930008)
I think the best we have is a 300+ year door here in Massachusetts, USA that has scars from a Native American raid on the town:

http://1704.deerfield.history.museum/popups/artifacts.do?sho...

Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by SideburnsOfDoom on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @08:31AM (#37927682)
> but Americans actually fucking love old stuff

to visit, absolutely. But you don't see the Americans insisting on getting their own ceremonial King as head of state in name only. They prefer to love that stuff at a visiting distance. This is also why "Downton Abbey" etc does so well in the USA.

Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by InitialLastName on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @09:43AM (#37928555)
Unlike the Brits, Americans only worship other peoples' landlords.
Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by DaiPlusPlus on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @06:45AM (#37926946)
> British people love old stuff like Americans love cars and guns.

As a British person who was involuntarily dragged around countless ruined Abbeys, castles, and monestaries for hours as a sprog by my parents, I can assure you that there exist plenty of British folk with an active disinterest in "old stuff", as you put it.

Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by throwawayyy9237 on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @06:51AM (#37926985)
I think most of Europe is like that.

It is true that British people do make more of their identity about it, and they tend to ignore _really_ old stuff (i.e. most of the quirky stuff is Victorian, not _that_ old).

(disclaimer, am British)

Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by mattlondon on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @06:57AM (#37927014)
I wouldn't say British people themselves really care (I don't).

It's just London especially has been around for so long that this sort of stuff just accumulates. The charity that exists purely to help look after just the Thames crossings in London that was doing this is itself almost 1000 years old for example. There is lots of old stuff - it's just part of life, not something that people go out of their way to give a shit about.

Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by jack_riminton on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @09:54AM (#37928698)
If it works, and is practical and understood by many, why change it?
Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by andyjohnson0 on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @07:16AM (#37927133)
British people love old stuff like Americans love old British stuff.
Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by Ensorceled on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @07:48AM (#37927343)
You should go to Boston someday…
Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by philipwhiuk on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @08:11AM (#37927523)
Boston doesn't have any old stuff.
Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by djbusby on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @09:02AM (#37928026)
For USA it's old. Our country is not even 300 yr yet and some of this New England stuff was settled in 1630s.
Re:Millennium Bridge workers hang straw bales after ancient ... by Tao3300 on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @08:11AM (#37927524)
Along a deep 50/50 split?