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Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by omginternets on Thursday October 05, 2023 @11:06AM (#37779555)
How on earth is it street legal to emit a high-pressure plume of jet exhaust behind you?
Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by dzdt on Thursday October 05, 2023 @11:11AM (#37779616)
Its street legal to drive using the standard motor with the jet engine OFF.
Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by omginternets on Thursday October 05, 2023 @11:13AM (#37779652)
Oooh, it's a hybrid!
Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by dylan604 on Thursday October 05, 2023 @11:34AM (#37779960)
"Hmmm, the car has two engines making the car a hybrid so maybe we can drive in the commuter lanes along with the Toyota Priuses. "
Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by omginternets on Thursday October 05, 2023 @11:36AM (#37779981)
Imagine being the cop who has to argue over the ticket with that guy ^^
Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by ceejayoz on Thursday October 05, 2023 @12:30PM (#37780680)
"I'm... gonna park a little further back."
Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by dylan604 on Thursday October 05, 2023 @12:54PM (#37780987)
There's a paragraph and photo of this very thing in the TFA
Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by aidos on Thursday October 05, 2023 @11:45AM (#37780113)
> That doesn't stop me from the occasional blast on the highway though.
Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by skeaker on Thursday October 05, 2023 @05:39PM (#37784613)
Something being road-illegal doesn't stop you from doing it anyways...
Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by mindslight on Thursday October 05, 2023 @11:13AM (#37779649)
We live in a society where things are legal by default. Why would adding a jet engine to a car be a priori illegal? If he harms somebody or otherwise causes damage, that itself is what's illegal and he'd be liable regardless of motor vehicle regulations. If this mod became a larger trend, especially consumer-available, then regulations would be implemented to head it off. But for a few lone instances it's not particularly necessary.
Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by lawlessone on Thursday October 05, 2023 @11:25AM (#37779816)
I am not in the US, but where i am afaik anything that modifies the car like this would have to go through some sort of recertification process.

It would be perfectly legal on private property but not public roads

Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by throwaway20304 on Thursday October 05, 2023 @11:34AM (#37779948)
Well not sure where you are, but where in EU I am, you can modify the insides of your car (people attach entire apartments to the insides of their cars...), and there's nothing wrong about stuff sticking outside - you just need to attach a red flag if it's over 1.5m out of the car.

The modified rear door might be a problem, but where I am you could simply keep the original open, or detach it.

Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by jamiek88 on Thursday October 05, 2023 @08:05PM (#37785783)
Road traffic laws are absolutely not harmonized across the EU.

French, Portuguese and German rules of the road for example are all different in statutory strictness and enforcement strictness.

Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by dahart on Friday October 06, 2023 @10:51AM (#37791556)
I’d guess that’s true in the US too, if you modify the engine or transmission or exhaust system, etc. But adding something to your car without modifying the existing systems has no regulation and no certification process, which he sorta talks about in the article re: police inability to enforce. As long as there aren’t other laws you violate, hanging a big fan out the window might not count as modifying the car.
Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by shortcake27 on Thursday October 05, 2023 @11:54AM (#37780235)
20 years ago in Australia my car got canaried because I had LPG and a pod filter, which was illegal because you were only allowed 1 modification to the intake system. I am 100% confident that if I strapped a jet to the car, it would be illegal. As it should be. If you want to do extremely dangerous modifications, do it on your own property. Not a public road where you risk killing a family of 5.
Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by mindslight on Thursday October 05, 2023 @12:39PM (#37780796)
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Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by gafferongames on Thursday October 05, 2023 @01:18PM (#37781273)
As an Australian-American living in the US I can confirm that the Australian concept of law (aka Nanny State) would ensure that this modification is illegal by default. Think of the children.
Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by civilitty on Thursday October 05, 2023 @01:23PM (#37781336)
Children don't really fit in the intake so it shouldn't be a problem
Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by jamiek88 on Thursday October 05, 2023 @08:09PM (#37785805)
I was shocked as a Brit American living in the US how nanny state Aust is. Even more than Britain. Certainly when it comes to cars and driving. The whole ‘anti hoon’ thing seems shocking to me with my now mostly American sensibilities.

But I guess that’s why we both live here rather than blighty or down under.

Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by defrost on Thursday October 05, 2023 @08:28PM (#37785927)
Australia's just fine with adding jet engines to cars and designing|building one million round per minute guns.

It's the mixing up of such things with the general unconsenting public that raises an eyebrow.

Hoon's can hoon - just out of earshot of people that want a quiet life and off the community car parks and roadways - there's no shortage of private land and designated drag strips | raceways.

https://aussieinvader.com/the-people/rosco-mcglashan-oam/

https://thewest.com.au/lifestyle/motoring/wa-built-1600kmh-j...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Storm

Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by shortcake27 on Friday October 06, 2023 @03:17AM (#37787999)
It’s important to understand most things happen for a reason, and as a Brit American living in the US you might be missing some context.

In the area I grew up, it was expected that your first car would be a V8. Hooning was ingrained into the culture. Back then it was a single spinner, no ABS, no airbags, basically no safety features at all. So what would happen is someone would get their licence, grab as many mates as they could, drive as fast as they could, and wrap their car around a tree killing everyone. Every week there was a news story about a multiple fatality P plate accident caused by hooning.

A culture of dangerous driving and dangerous vehicles led to Australia’s anti-hoon laws. It’s not just “ooh silly nanny state laws for no reason”.

Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by userbinator on Thursday October 05, 2023 @08:02PM (#37785757)
It is likely to be safer simply because the one driving it is going to be a lot more careful than the average driver.

I recall seeing a study a while ago that showed how those who work on their own cars, especially for those who do major jobs like engine rebuilds, are statistically far less likely to get into an accident. Unfortunately I can't find it now.

Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by shortcake27 on Friday October 06, 2023 @03:54AM (#37788203)
> a single engineer personally adding a jet engine to his car while seemingly being very in touch with the dangers of operating it

What if a non-engineer who doesn’t understand the dangers makes this type of modification? This is is why it needs to be illegal. Just because someone straps a jet engine to their car it doesn’t mean they know what they’re doing, and _that_ is the risk, and why pretty much all laws exist in the first place. Many people could drive safely without speed limits, but we have speed limits to cater for people who can’t. My point is that if this type of modification truly is legal in America, that’s scary, and Australia got the laws right. A jet-powered car is not inherently safer in the US than Australia.

Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by gehwartzen on Friday October 06, 2023 @06:42AM (#37789019)
> What if a non-engineer who doesn’t understand the dangers makes this type of modification?

This hasn’t happened afaik in the last 15 years. I assume any non-engineer who doesn’t know the dangers also doesn’t have the technical know how to build this. Also the cost is several hundred thousand $.

History seems to indicate it’s a non-issue.

Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by historyTeach123 on Thursday October 05, 2023 @05:52PM (#37784750)
He didn't modify the car's original factory system. He simply added onto it, he added a second independent system.

Tbh I kinda agree this is a bit ridiculous to assume it's safe to drive on the road though.

Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by olyjohn on Thursday October 05, 2023 @01:02PM (#37781112)
In this case the law has already been written. It's not a CARB-approved, nor EPA compliant engine. You're not allowed to run it on the street. The law is written so that everything you do to a car's emission system is illegal by default. To make any engine modifications in California, the part must be CARB approved and have a compliance sticker on it. Engine swaps in California are legal, as long as the engine being swapped is at least as new as the engine in the vehicle and meets the same regulatory requirements. Which means you swap in another EPA/CARB approved engine, but not a jet engine.
Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by ThePowerOfFuet on Sunday October 08, 2023 @11:09AM (#37811148)
The stock engine — and the emission control system attached to it — are entirely untouched.
Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by cortesoft on Thursday October 05, 2023 @03:24PM (#37783071)
In California, you have to register your car and have it pass a smog test. How would this pass that?
Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by btilly on Thursday October 05, 2023 @04:14PM (#37783723)
Just drive on the gasoline engine.
Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by lmm on Thursday October 05, 2023 @10:56PM (#37786707)
Doesn't the smog test require you to run your car at the peak power it can do, or something like that?
Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by btilly on Friday October 06, 2023 @12:44AM (#37787179)
Floor the accelerator, yes.

Find a toggle for an unrelated afterburner? Not so much.

Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by jamiek88 on Thursday October 05, 2023 @08:10PM (#37785810)
I’d hate to be the minimum wage tech tying to figure that out!
Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by mhb on Friday October 06, 2023 @01:02AM (#37787258)
Aren't "inspections" nowadays done only by plugging into the OBD port? So, no problem?
Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by nikanj on Thursday October 05, 2023 @11:08AM (#37779587)
’Murica
Re:Ron Patrick's Street-Legal Jet Powered Volkswagen Beetle by wkat4242 on Friday October 06, 2023 @04:45AM (#37788414)
Jet exhaust doesn't need to be high pressure. It depends. For example a turboprop engine doesn't provide any jet thrust and usually the exhaust is even pointed away from the direction of flight.

But it is very hot so exhausting it close to the ground or people is a serious problem.