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Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by Cyberdog on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:28AM (#37761140)
How did you know the cover letters were AI-generated?
Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by mongol on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:37AM (#37761209)
Detecting if a cover letter is AI-generated can be challenging, especially as AI improves over time. However, here are some general tips that might help:

1. Too Perfect: If the language is too polished, without any flaws, it might be a sign. However, this is not conclusive as many humans also produce impeccable cover letters.

2. Generic Content: AI-generated content might be overly generic, lacking personal anecdotes, or specific experiences that tie the candidate to the position.

3. Mismatched Details: Sometimes AI might include details or skills that don't necessarily align with the person's actual background, especially if it's generating content based on a broad set of inputs.

4. Lack of Personal Touch: Personal nuances, humor, or any unique writing style that most humans have might be absent in AI-generated content.

5. Repetition: AI sometimes has a tendency to be repetitive or overuse certain phrases.

6. Too Structured: While structure is good, if every sentence seems to follow an almost formulaic pattern, it could be a hint.

7. Check References: If the cover letter mentions specific details, cross-checking them with the resume or online profiles might show inconsistencies.

8. Use Detection Tools: There are online tools and software solutions designed to detect AI-generated content. However, their efficacy can vary.

9. Ask Direct Questions: If you're hiring and suspect a cover letter might be AI-generated, you can always ask the candidate specific questions about its content during an interview.

10. Gut Feeling: Sometimes, it's just a feeling that the content doesn't "sound human". Trust your instincts, but always give the benefit of the doubt and follow up with other methods.

Remember, the use of AI tools isn't inherently negative. Some people might use AI to help draft or polish their cover letters. What's important is the authenticity of the experiences and skills presented and the genuine fit for the role.

Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by sahilmuthoo on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:41AM (#37761236)
Surprised that nobody has mentioned that this post is 100% AI generated
Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by foota on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:39AM (#37761224)
...was this AI generated?
Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by mongol on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:42AM (#37761242)
Yes. I would not normally do it, but given the question, I thought it served a purpose.
Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by s4i on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:50AM (#37761287)
It was all pretty good until "Remember".
Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by RheingoldRiver on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @02:02AM (#37761377)
Nah I could tell by the first line.

> Detecting if a cover letter is AI-generated can be challenging, especially as AI improves over time.

huh? that doesn't seem true, it's pretty easy to tell AI-written work

> However, here are some general tips that might help:

Oh lol.

(actually written by me ways to tell):

- it will ALWAYS give an irrelevant first couple lines that sound like they're from a third grader's "haha you have to write an introductory paragraph" assignment

- it tries to "both sides" literally EVERYTHING it says. like if you said "how do you make a snowman" it would say something like "Learning to build a snowman can be challenging. However, if you live in a cold climate with snow, it's a great activity for both children and adults!" like what? why do you need a POV contrast here? but it will always do this.

- there's next to 0 sentence length variation.

- no idiosyncratic tendencies, eg using "like" a lot. Few people write like this, we write like we talk (as you can see I picked this example because I'm, like, guilty of it myself)

- no personal anecdotes at all. people like to talk about ourselves. the fact that an AI-generated response will never do this is very weird. (though I guess it would if you said "write a cover letter about myself")

I'm sure there's a shitton of clues that I pick up on subconsciously but yeah AI content is pretty obviously AI content.

Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by baq on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @02:09AM (#37761431)
This is all true, but just a few more words in the prompt make it way harder. Just adding ‘be concise’ can make it passable.
Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by mrmanner on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @03:19AM (#37761902)
The ten-point ordered list is a clue as well
Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by addandsubtract on Thursday October 05, 2023 @09:58AM (#37778704)
> why do you need a POV contrast here? but it will always do this.

Pretty sure this is from all the blog spam it was trained on. They all use this writing style.

Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by foota on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:54AM (#37761315)
What stuck out to me is the number of bullet points and the numbering, as well as the closing sentence.
Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by xigoi on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @02:08AM (#37761422)
No, already the first sentence is typical ChatGPT style.
Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by yjftsjthsd-h on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @02:20AM (#37761495)
Especially the first line IMO; the rest actually seems mostly passable, but that first line immediately flagged as GPT-generated to me.
Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by Legend2440 on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:42AM (#37761247)
That's the point lol, you can easily tell it's AI because ChatGPT has a certain style.
Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by vjk800 on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @02:31AM (#37761568)
You can also ask it to change the style. Here are three (also asked it to make it more concise):

*1. Academic Tone (Concise):*

Detecting AI-written cover letters is tough, but here are quick tips:

1. Watch for flawless language. 2. Look for generic, non-personal content. 3. Check for odd details that don't fit. 4. Absence of human touch, humor, or style. 5. Beware of repetitive phrases. 6. Too structured? Might be AI. 7. Cross-reference details with references. 8. Try AI detection tools (varying results). 9. Ask candidates direct questions in interviews. 10. Trust your gut but stay fair.

AI use isn't all bad; authenticity and fit matter most.

*2. Informal and Conversational Tone (Concise):*

Spotting AI-written cover letters is tricky, but here are the real-talk tips:

1. Too perfect? Red flag. 2. Generic content? Not a good sign. 3. Weird details? AI mistake, maybe. 4. Missing human vibes? Yep, AI. 5. Repeating phrases? AI does that. 6. Super structure? AI-like. 7. Fact-check with their profiles. 8. Tech tools? Hit-or-miss. 9. Grill candidates with direct questions. 10. Trust your instincts, but be fair.

AI tools aren't all bad; some folks use 'em to jazz up their cover letters. What counts is the fit for the job.

*3. Sci-Fi Futuristic Tone (Concise):*

In the quest to detect AI-generated cover letters, here are key signposts:

1. Absolute precision: Beware impeccable language. 2. Generality: AI leans generic. 3. Juxtaposed fictions: AI might invent details. 4. Humanity essence: AI lacks human touch. 5. Echo chamber: Watch for repetitive phrases. 6. Algorithmic straitjacket: AI can be formulaic. 7. Verification: Cross-check specifics. 8. Detection tools: Varying efficacy. 9. Directness: Ask direct questions. 10. Intuition: Trust your instincts.

AI use isn't inherently evil; focus on fit and authenticity.

Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by iamflimflam1 on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @02:49AM (#37761695)
This is a dead giveaway:

“Detecting AI-written cover letters is tough, but here are quick tips:”

It’s his ChatGPT opens most discussions.

Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by rahimnathwani on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @02:30PM (#37769563)

  but here are the real-talk tips
This has a "how do you do, fellow kids" vibe.
Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by ohadron on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:33AM (#37761172)
It's quite evident after you read a few. Typically convoluted and fancy English.

In other words: Upon perusal of a mere handful, the prevailing characteristic becomes abundantly clear. The prose predominantly revels in a labyrinthine complexity, intertwined with a flourish of ornate lexicon.

Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by tayo42 on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:55AM (#37761322)
> Typically convoluted and fancy English

this is how im told to write for a corporate setting... this is insanity lol, be perfect, but not to perfect.

Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by notahacker on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @03:24PM (#37770287)
That looks more like someone who writes cover letters with a thesaurus. (I'm sure they exist).

With ChatGPT some of its stock phrases are quite easily recognisable and I'm sure they're a lot more recognisable having seen 30 other generic cover letters that also use them!

Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by vlod on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @06:54PM (#37772845)
Damn. As a person who likes to write good grammar and sound above average intelligence in my cover letters, I'm probably doing it all wrong.

I have to figure out how not to sound like an AI overlord :)

Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by antonchekhov on Thursday October 05, 2023 @05:04PM (#37784282)
The overall tone is bloodless, in a relentlessly smooth, confident style. The articles on the news site Axios.com have a similar style - relaxing to read at first, but feel bereft of any convictions after a while.
Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by jeswin on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:32AM (#37761164)
1. AI-generated emails try to include parent context, and more often than not they sound very artificial.

2. They can be lengthy.

Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by Balgair on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @10:46AM (#37765950)
Time out.

You're dinging people for being too long?

I mean, what are your metrics for a cover letter then?

Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by rahimnathwani on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @02:27PM (#37769514)
OP never asked for a cover letter. Just a CV.
Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by humbfool2 on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:36AM (#37761194)
Many AI-generated cover letters share similarities, and once you recognize the pattern, you can tell whether they were produced by an AI or not
Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by benabbottnz on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:37AM (#37761204)
ctrl + f “in conclusion”
Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by Legend2440 on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:36AM (#37761196)
In theory, Large Language Models (LLMs) like ChatGPT are designed to generate text that is challenging to discern from human-written content, allowing for a wide range of styles and tones.

However, in practice, these models are often fine-tuned to serve specific purposes or emulate particular writing styles, making them more recognizable and less versatile. Fine-tuning narrows down the model's output to align with desired characteristics, sacrificing some of the inherent diversity and unpredictability found in their raw generative abilities.

This fine-tuning process can result in LLMs producing text that conforms to a specific style or pattern, potentially reducing their ability to seamlessly blend in with the full spectrum of human-written content.

Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by column on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @02:08AM (#37761424)
They're a dead giveaway because they usually lack any personal touch or deep understanding of the job role. It's like they're ticking off a checklist of generic qualifications without understanding the company culture. You start to recognize the pattern after you've gone through a few hiring cycles.

(Took a few attempts, but eventually got an AI response that followed the guidelines—no question repetition and in the style of a HackerNews comment. Pretty neat. ((This too was AI generated)))

Re:Tell HN: Please stop sending AI-generated job application... by bigtex on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @12:23PM (#37767474)
I haven't been in the market for quite some time, but I remember 90% plus of all job descriptions seem to be written by the legal department and all sounded the same. They want the submitter to spend time crafting a unique cover letter but put zero effort into crafting an accurate job description that didn't sound like it was written by a robot.