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Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by mmh0000 on Monday October 02, 2023 @06:26PM (#37745277)
I do not understand why anyone uses Jellyfin, I've tried it twice, and it seems soo finicky and opinionated.

I've always just had a Linux computer hooked up to the T.V. Add a little bit of ktorrent, VLC, and SMB. Never really had any problems with this and its much much simpler.

Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by hotnfresh on Monday October 02, 2023 @06:38PM (#37745401)
There’s little benefit if you’re the only one using it and are happy with it. Aside from TV-attached PCs sometimes being a lot fiddlier at providing fully-correct video and audio output than dedicated streaming boxes.

There are tons of benefits to Jellyfin if other people use your set-up.

Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by shermanm on Monday October 02, 2023 @06:31PM (#37745341)
Do you live with non-technical people or have visitors to your house? I have a kid and a wife who isn’t as nerdy as I am. Plex just works. I can show a babysitter or a grandparent how to use it in about a minute. Can’t say the same for a Linux box, as much as I’d love for that to be the solution.
Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by righthand on Monday October 02, 2023 @06:31PM (#37745342)
I agree. Media specific OSes are just okay but I have no problem about plugging my laptop into an HDMI cable to watch something. I have no anxiety about how a laptop sitting on a tv stand will look.
Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by afavour on Monday October 02, 2023 @06:55PM (#37745565)
I don’t think anyone is using Jellyfin because they have anxiety about what their laptop looks like on a TV stand.

My whole family uses Plex, they can operate it incredibly simply with a remote and don’t have to unplug and replug a thing. The simplicity is key, if you’re only catering for yourself/an exclusively techie audience then it’s not necessary.

Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by skydhash on Monday October 02, 2023 @07:36PM (#37745943)
I use Infuse on my Apple TV and Jellyfin is a nice backend for it (not necessary though). It’s just a nicer interaction than fiddling with an HTPC.
Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by Jochim on Monday October 02, 2023 @07:03PM (#37745645)
It's not an OS, it's a client-server application.

Ignoring physical appearances, it presents large libraries nicely and allows you to use your phone or remote instead of needing to fiddle with a laptop.

A few other nice features: can stream different content to multiple devices, users can be given access to specific libraries, and content can be age gated.

Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by horsawlarway on Monday October 02, 2023 @11:05PM (#37747504)
It's not a media OS.

You're thinking something like XMBC...

Jellyfin is more equivalent to a streaming app - but the backend is running in your private server.

Clients are available for the vast majority of consumer TV oses (Roku/Apple/AndroidTV/Web/Etc)

Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by jethro_tell on Monday October 02, 2023 @06:43PM (#37745460)
Tell me you live alone or only with a partner in a single TV home.

Multiple users, multiple locations, one setup. That's the value.

Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by heartjudytenuta on Monday October 02, 2023 @07:35PM (#37745939)
Or you could purchase inFuse, point it to a Samba server and literally walk away and be done. They even support connecting to a Jellyfin backend. Paying for commercial software that works out of the box, I know, the horror, I'm literally shaking.
Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by jethro_tell on Monday October 02, 2023 @08:19PM (#37746304)
Smb over the internet sucks. So good for multiple TVs single location.
Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by carlosjobim on Monday October 02, 2023 @07:29PM (#37745876)
12 years ago me and my then girlfriend used to torrent a USB pen drive full of the series and movies we wanted to watch and just plug it into a Sony TV and watch. Including subtitles when we wanted. You could put that USB pen drive in your pocket to continue watching at a friends house.

20 years ago, we'd connect any PC or Mac to the TV with HDMI and watch a movie or whatever we wanted.

Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by jethro_tell on Monday October 02, 2023 @08:20PM (#37746313)
Nice, I'm sure that works great on an iPad in the car
Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by carlosjobim on Monday October 02, 2023 @09:37PM (#37746870)
How is your iPad going to connect to your media server on the road with no signal?
Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by happymellon on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @02:41AM (#37748621)
I normally solve this by tethering.

All these media clients support downloading too for offline usage.

Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by carlosjobim on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @09:58AM (#37752043)
To me it seems to be much more trouble than it's worth. Setting up a server and installing clients, pirating a bunch of content to put on your server. Then using the client to download files since you won't have signal (how is the tether going to have any signal?). I guess it's fun for hackers to tinker with this stuff, but just putting the file on the device like we did 12 years ago seems much easier.
Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by happymellon on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @12:35PM (#37754186)
The only additional step is installing a server application, you would probably have installed VLC or something to use anyway on the client. Having a box to store your stuff, ripping or downloading to it is still the same regardless of installing a client or not.

> how is the tether going to have any signal?

I have a phone plan? Your decisions would be different if you have different requirements and restrictions.

It's not like any of this requires expensive hardware, Intel Quicksync is on my £75 Wyse thin client acting as the server and can transcode perfectly for an iPhone/Android TV/etc.

Secondly, it isn't only doing those duties. It's also hooked up to stream TV so if I remember something I want to watch later it will record, and if I'm having to wait and there is nothing to read I can watch a show.

Can't do that with "putting files on a device".

Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by carlosjobim on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @02:43PM (#37755889)
What I mean with signal for the tether is that in the example of watching stuff on an iPad in the car, you'll probably be in places where there is no signal and then it doesn't matter if the chip is in the iPad or in your phone – you still can't get signal.

But I'm probably not the intended user for these self hosted media servers. I don't watch a ton of stuff, and what I watch is generally on YouTube.

Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by jethro_tell on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @12:59PM (#37754546)
> To me it seems to be much more trouble than it's worth.

I'm glad that use case works for you. However, an inability to imagine a usecase where that could be of value than shitting on people who say they have that use case isn't a great look.

I meets the needs of my usecase and my family. We were using plex before but since it required central login for of network use it has been on the deprecation list for me. But the exact solution is not relevant to the need and use case that makes the quite a bit less work than other options for us.

I spend quite a bit of time with my family moving between locations so, yes we have internet for that. The timing isn't always pre-planned so offline media consumption can be tough. Additionally, we may leave with a couple hours notice and spend a week or more before we come home. In which case, we'll stream media from a different location than our primary residence.

Additionally, we record/watch things off our digital tv antenna to stream when we are out of range. Which gets a little tougher for a generic fileserver.

So for us, it's quite a bit less trouble than it's worth. It's all the same things that setting up a local media setup involves with the addition of an authenticated streaming frontend that can be setup to work with multiple clients in multiple locations and multiple times.

Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by carlosjobim on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @02:37PM (#37755820)
Your behaviour is the low-point of this thread, so I'm not giving you any more of my time. You're the only person "shitting on people" here.
Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by averageRoyalty on Monday October 09, 2023 @06:33AM (#37818914)
There have been iPads with cellular modems since launch.
Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by mmh0000 on Monday October 02, 2023 @07:59PM (#37746147)
Ouch. But sadly not true.

Both my non-tech wife and my four year old have figured out how to watch things. Which, is, my point. VLC, a directory browser, and ktorrent suite our needs so perfectly. Admittedly, the four year old hasn't figured out how to download torrents yet; but for my wife it was super simple to explain: "goto this website, search for desired show, only download from purple or green pirates."

My setup is slightly more complicated than I let on in the first post. We have multiple TVs, each hooked to a linux laptop (lenovo T430s, because I had one and the rest were cheap on ebay.). Then there's a NAS with SMB. All media is downloaded to the NAS, any T.V. can watch any downloaded media.

Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by jethro_tell on Monday October 02, 2023 @08:22PM (#37746324)
Fair enough, still a single household solution.
Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by fomine3 on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @02:12AM (#37748476)
TBH I don't want to share any shady downloaded Linux ISO videos with others
Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by Clamchop on Monday October 02, 2023 @06:43PM (#37745463)
Hooking the video out of a computer to a TV isn't the only use case. Once you can stream to any device and multiples of them, transcoding on the fly, with a good UX that saves your spot and tells you what's new with artwork and what seasons or special cuts are available, each attached to user profiles for multiple people, with good search including in metadata, and toss in the ability to download subtitles on demand and whatever else, you will be well on your way to reinventing Jellyfin and other plex-alikes!

I understand favoring simplicity for a simple use case, but it obviously doesn't scratch every itch.

Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by dinosaurdynasty on Monday October 02, 2023 @07:18PM (#37745765)
It's extremely convenient to have software keep track of which episode on a 7 season show I'm on
Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by mmh0000 on Monday October 02, 2023 @08:00PM (#37746154)
This is a good use case. This is a manual process for me or setting reminders in my phone.
Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by hotnfresh on Monday October 02, 2023 @08:13PM (#37746254)
An actual metadata-aware browsing system that works from my couch, controlled by an ordinary remote or by my phone, is great, too. “Sort by release year” or “what else do I have by this director?” work seamlessly.
Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by horsawlarway on Monday October 02, 2023 @11:03PM (#37747492)
Jellyfin lets me flexibly provide whatever video/music content I want to my family.

In an interface that is basically "Netflix" - so they can actually figure out how to use it.

You just listed like 4 applications, a linux box, and physical cables as your requirements. That is not a workable starting point for that discussion.

My requirements are "Go to jellyfin.[mydomain]" and log in. It works basically everywhere (I am currently watching content from my jellyfin server while on vacation in a different state as I type this).

Basically - you are optimizing for "low setup cost" as an admin. Jellyfin is optimizing for the entire group of people who will watch your content as users.

As an aside... Sonarr/Radarr/Jellyfin are just a different league than the old school "I'll download every episode myself" time sink. It takes some genuine effort to setup, and then everything is way better.

Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by JeremyNT on Monday October 02, 2023 @11:46PM (#37747739)
I mean, it tracks metadata and progress centrally. It has clients for various low power appliance type devices as well as web.

If you have more than one TV it's nice to use a cheap android TV device set up to connect to jellyfin on each rather than move your laptop around.

It's also good for a road warrior. I can VPN to my house and steam elsewhere, and it does transcoding on the fly so it works over bad connections too.

And if you want to use VLC or whatever you can still use the web UI to find the media you want and download it.

Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by lost_tourist on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @10:20AM (#37752349)
because it's easy for the end users. which is probably the most important feature rather than ease of control for devs. This has often been my experience in most things. They seem to be optimized for the end user and not the configurator.
Re:A Call for Developers – Jellyfin by SamuelAdams on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @02:04PM (#37755416)
This reminds me of the dismissive Dropbox comment. Which is now a million dollar business.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224