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Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar... by vasco on Thursday September 14, 2023 @09:25AM (#37508709)
How do unions help with those?

- Do unions enforce remote work?

- Do unions enforce an offer letter to turn into actual employment for someone who isn't even a member yet (they haven't signed anything)?

- Do unions make people have a better handle on their mental health and do companies with unions have lower rates of burnout in their workforces?

Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar... by scottiebarnes on Thursday September 14, 2023 @09:39AM (#37508880)
Yeah actually a union can help with all of those things.

That's why police are unionized, as well as most team sport elite athletes (players unions). And they like the power it gives them, which is why you never hear them talk badly about it.

Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar... by zaphar on Thursday September 14, 2023 @09:54AM (#37509069)
While I personally think Police are necessary in a well functioning society, I will argue that Police unions are a large contributing factor behind the poor reputation Police have gotten lately. They have blocked much needed reforms, protected bad eggs, and are an argument for how a Union can force it's participants to support things they find morally repugnant.
Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar... by vasco on Thursday September 14, 2023 @10:20AM (#37509460)
I didn't ask If, I asked How, and I'd be surprised if you can find any examples.
Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar... by scottiebarnes on Thursday September 14, 2023 @11:35AM (#37510386)
You don't think unions negotiate work terms such as wages, working hours, conditions, etc.?

What are some of the reasons you think a labor union would form in the first place?

Have you ever heard of mandatory break requirements in certain industries? Think those ideas came from business owners?

"The National Labor Union was founded on August 20, 1866, in Baltimore, Maryland. It was the first attempt to create a national labor group in the United States and one of their first actions was the first national call for Congress to mandate an 8-hour work day."

https://guides.loc.gov/this-month-in-business-history/august...

Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar... by woooooo on Thursday September 14, 2023 @01:07PM (#37511683)
You're responding to a post that gave you examples.

The mechanics are work contracts with a grievance process, if you're curious.

Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar... by shortrounddev2 on Thursday September 14, 2023 @09:26AM (#37508729)
Unions are democratic organizations. If those things are important to you, you can speak up at a union meeting
Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar... by Jensson on Thursday September 14, 2023 @09:30AM (#37508779)
People voted not to have a union, so apparently democracy doesn't get you what you want, at least in your case.
Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar... by shortrounddev2 on Thursday September 14, 2023 @09:35AM (#37508844)
In most states in the US you are not required to join the union if your workplace votes for it
Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar... by Jensson on Thursday September 14, 2023 @09:49AM (#37509009)
But you can't form a union if they vote against it, which is why you are here arguing with people. So we here we have clear proof that even if you spend years arguing it doesn't necessarily lead to the democratic results you want. Individual bargaining however seems to work very well, lots of people get what they want that way much faster and easier than any democratic process. And that is why people vote to not have unions.

The moment developers have a cause they can agree on, they will start to vote for unions. And no it isn't too late at that point, rather it is too early to vote for a union unless you have a cause you collectively care about.

Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar... by shortrounddev2 on Thursday September 14, 2023 @10:12AM (#37509346)
> even if you spend years arguing it doesn't necessarily lead to the democratic results you want

Yes, this is how democracy works in general. You don't get everything (or necessarily anything) you want

Personally the only thing that would really make me quit is if they tried to make me go hybrid or back to the office in any way. My workplace is small (10 engineers) and so unionizing based on that could be pretty easy, but it would be easier for me to quit and find a new job that does do remote

Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar... by zaphar on Thursday September 14, 2023 @09:55AM (#37509085)
You don't have to join but you usually still have to pay the dues. So you both have no vote on how that money get's spent but are also forced to give it to them anyway.
Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar... by dfxm12 on Thursday September 14, 2023 @10:08AM (#37509275)
You don't have to join but you usually still have to pay the dues.

You are misinformed on the law. Free riders can't be compelled to pay dues.

Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar... by Jensson on Thursday September 14, 2023 @10:14AM (#37509381)
> Free riders can't be compelled to pay dues.

California, Washington and New York are forced union states, most developers don't work in right to work states.

Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar... by fragmede on Thursday September 14, 2023 @10:03AM (#37509201)
For better or worse, closed shop (where a company hires only union members) was outlawed in the US by the Taft–Hartley Act in 1947.
Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar... by Jensson on Thursday September 14, 2023 @10:28AM (#37509511)
That law has a loophole: Force the worker to pay the union even if they don't join it. So unless you live in a right to work state that law doesn't mean much.
Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar... by nordsieck on Thursday September 14, 2023 @11:09AM (#37510059)
> Unions are democratic organizations

In my experience, democratic organizations are complete garbage. Every experience I've had with local government/HOAs has been a disappointing at best.

I get that some democratic organizations are necessary. But adding more voluntarily seems to be at best a necessary evil, not something to list as a positive.

Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar... by lapcat on Thursday September 14, 2023 @11:54AM (#37510630)
> Every experience I've had with local government/HOAs has been a disappointing at best.

As far as I'm aware, most HOAs were imposed from above by the home builder rather than coming into existence via grassroots organization of the home owners.

Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar... by mplewis on Thursday September 14, 2023 @02:39PM (#37512971)
Yes, those are all things that your union can help negotiate on behalf of you and all your peers.