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Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by makingstuffs on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @03:40PM (#37410154)
I’d bet my life we start to see a massive influx of bad press aimed at messaging providers, focusing on how criminals are using their services, over the next few years.

When the general sentiment of the average Dave is ‘encryption === bad’ this BS will rear its head again.

Seems to have been the standard play for governments of this country for decades now.

Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by jiveturkey on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @04:07PM (#37410581)
Yes, so much so that there's a term for this: manufactured consent.
Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by phero_cnstrcts on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @06:13PM (#37412127)
Problem, reaction, solution.
Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by edandersen on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @06:44PM (#37412457)
Maybe they'll get the nudge unit out for another round.
Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by pydry on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @04:09PM (#37410619)
They already deployed M&C Saatchi against it:

https://www.techdirt.com/2022/01/19/uk-has-voyeuristic-new-p...

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/revealed-u...

All about saving the children. From everybody except Prince Andrew, it seems.

Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by blowski on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @04:26PM (#37410810)
I don’t remember seeing this campaign. Are there any links?
Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by rentnorove on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @06:50PM (#37412509)
This isn't the same ad as described in the article, but is a government funded Saatchi one from around the same time: https://www.noplacetohide.org.uk/ > The campaign is funded by the UK Government and has been developed by a steering group of child safety organisations with support from M&C Saatchi.
Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by pydry on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @07:02PM (#37412604)
I think that was the website displayed on the adverts.
Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by _bohm on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @05:55PM (#37411923)
Some anonymous entity has been putting up posters in my neighborhood decrying Apple for "allowing" CSAM to be stored on iCloud. Very creepy propaganda campaign.
Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by callalex on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @09:10PM (#37413536)
Those posters are almost certainly plastered up by someone who genuinely believes in the cause. They have been manipulated by corrupt media, but it is a tactical error to assume that a political party is directly paying for such poster campaigns.
Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by heavyset_go on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @09:23PM (#37413620)
It's also guerilla marketing 101, and they wouldn't be the first company, interest group or marketing agency that used those tactics to promote their products, interests, etc.
Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by monksy on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @05:54PM (#37411909)
Great example

https://www.wired.com/story/apple-csam-scanning-heat-initiat...

Heat initiative is basically non existent on Google. Not much of said about how they're funded or who is apart of it

Their website is protectchildrennotabuse.org

Has a CEO with experience in running charitable orgs

They're explicitly focused on client side scanning and reporting on the iPhone.

Honestly if you're reading this archive the website and I think that's a smoking gun

Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by ThePowerOfFuet on Thursday September 07, 2023 @01:46AM (#37415175)
heatinitiative.org was registered 2023-08-23... so the paint is barely dry. Their privacy policy also turns up nothing.
Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by monksy on Thursday September 07, 2023 @01:25PM (#37422411)
The place has a CEO, made communication to Tim cook, been featured in Wired, put up massive scare mongering examples of bad people, made vague claims of a large organization. (collective effort of concerned child safety experts and advocates) [Prior instance of their page claims researchers, experts, and advocates].

All this and they're solely focused on a small corner case of 1 business and somehow their google presence is just not there.

Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by froggit on Friday September 08, 2023 @08:18PM (#37440931)
This whole thing with the heat initiative is straight up bizarre. Their entire dialog is just so over the top.

I'll briefly summarize the back and forth heat had with apple, condensing it makes the weirdness really shine through:

Heat Initiative: "Listen up! We DEMAND that the private data of iCloud users be made accessible for CSAM scans. You are to remove it all. The guilty must be punished." Apple: "woah, slow down. We already decided against policing iCloud like that, it'd get way too Orwellian way too fast. We can use on-device Communication Safety systems to make our environment safer while respecting privacy. With features such as detection of potential nudity, we can start cutting off CSAM images and video at the source and work to prevent abuse in the first place." Heat Initiative: "apple, you make stupid money off anything you touch, you employ geniuses, you have responsibility to design a safe, privacy-forward environment that allows for the detection of known child sexual abuse images and video. Also, we really, really demand scanning iCloud." Apple: "did you just ignore what I just said or is there some deeper issue like not knowing words good. this obsession you have with scanning iCloud makes me suspect you have ulterior motives. Heat Initiative: "It's not that I ignored you, I just don't really care about this shit and can't keep up this farce. Either you let the government access iCloud or we'll say you're running 'instagram for kiddy rapists.' we will destroy you." Apple: "yeah, this conversation is over."

Something like that.

Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by chimen on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @08:04PM (#37413110)
It's either terrorism or child pornography. In my country (Romania) they use to call football hooligans whenever a protest is being made on a bigger scale just so they can put us all in the same boat and have an excuse to use armed forces and disperse everyone on the basis that the event was not peacefully done.

Most of the people I talk to are brainwashed anyway and will happily accept it - just give it time. The discussions over privacy always end-up with something like "I have nothing to hide anyway".

Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by lo_zamoyski on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @08:44PM (#37413368)
> "I have nothing to hide anyway".

People who make that argument should be forced to have high def webcams installed in their bedrooms and bathrooms.

Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by heavyset_go on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @09:21PM (#37413609)
This would make the most sense if the goal was to actually stop child abuse, given that the majority of it happens in the home.
Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by fbdab103 on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @10:29PM (#37414023)
By the people they know. More likely to be assaulted by family than a stranger.
Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by andrepd on Thursday September 07, 2023 @01:36AM (#37415102)
Not even that: just say sure, give me your phone and pin, and let me read your messages and view your photos.

Guaranteed not 1 person will take you up on that.

Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by ChrisRR on Thursday September 07, 2023 @04:38AM (#37416251)
People who make that argument should give us their credit card numbers
Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by staplers on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @11:26PM (#37414407)
Bitcoin is an example of this already played out.

News cycle perpetuates bitcoin == bad so everyone you know just repeats "scam" and points to criminals.

Meanwhile the largest institutions and richest people are investing heavily due to its revolutionary nature. Just look at all the ETFs coming out (Blackrock, Fidelity, etc).

Once they are fully setup you'll see the news cycle change sentiment. Rinse, repeat, with any technology.

Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by re-thc on Thursday September 07, 2023 @12:02AM (#37414616)
> Meanwhile the largest institutions and richest people are investing heavily due to its revolutionary nature.

Is that why are they investing? Do investors care if it's revolutionary or that they just get high returns?

E.g. a lot of "coins" have promised high returns that were obviously not sustainable.

Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by staplers on Thursday September 07, 2023 @02:33AM (#37415450)
Feel free to reply what makes bitcoin bad in a way any different from other high tech.
Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by r_hoods_ghost on Thursday September 07, 2023 @03:34AM (#37415811)
Not the patent but... incredibly environmentally destructive by design. Utterly privacy violating as you're publishing every transaction you make for the world to see on a public ledger so now your neighbour (and government) get to know about your badger fetish. Non reversible transactions are an invitation to fraud and theft and make routine errors like overpayments and payments to the wrong address potentially disastrous. Not to mention the "problems" it claims to fix like instant, fee free transactions and easy international transfers have been fixed for many years in countries with modern banking systems (i.e. not the USA) Etc. Etc. Etc.
Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by worik on Thursday September 07, 2023 @01:19AM (#37415018)
Just because "they" say it's bad, does not make it good

Bitcoin is bad.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day....

Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by onion2k on Thursday September 07, 2023 @02:31AM (#37415433)
Even a broken clock is right twice a day...

That would depend on how it's broken.

Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by worik on Thursday September 07, 2023 @04:13AM (#37416073)
...hmmm

A broken clock can be right twice a day

Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by staplers on Thursday September 07, 2023 @02:34AM (#37415455)
Feel free to reply what makes bitcoin bad in a way any different from other high tech.
Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by worik on Thursday September 07, 2023 @04:13AM (#37416070)
It is too volatile to be a useful store of value

Transaction costs are too high to be useful medium of exchange

The waste it generates, as its central operation to have artificial scarcity is definitely bad.

Bitcoin is very bad

Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by thefurdrake on Thursday September 07, 2023 @09:05AM (#37418324)
Outcome.
Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by andybak on Thursday September 07, 2023 @02:00AM (#37415255)
Nice try.
Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by staplers on Thursday September 07, 2023 @02:33AM (#37415453)
Feel free to reply what makes bitcoin bad in a way any different from other high tech.
Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by LMYahooTFY on Thursday September 07, 2023 @01:11AM (#37414985)
I agree. And they're intelligent (pun intended), so they'll select demographics from those of us who opposed them and illustrate extremist scapegoats most outrageous to us.

I think this is too often not understood or forgotten.

Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by csomar on Thursday September 07, 2023 @01:41AM (#37415139)
Their problem is that they lost a lot of influencing power. Only old people are still watching the TV or trusting the old media. And although they do vote more, their days are numbered.
Re:U.K. Abandons, for Now, Legislation That Would Have Banne... by ChrisRR on Thursday September 07, 2023 @04:37AM (#37416237)
Just look at how much they attacked encryption after the 7/7 bombings, despite being organised via plain SMS