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Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by mvdtnz on Saturday August 26, 2023 @01:01AM (#37270076)
Maybe it's an American thing but I don't think I know a single person who owns or uses an ipad, with the exception of rich parents who use them exclusively to distract children. I certainly don't notice a lot of ipad users in airports or trains.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by camillomiller on Saturday August 26, 2023 @01:41AM (#37270214)
I think it’s generational. In Berlin I see plenty of students that now actively use it while studying in cafés for example.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by jdshaffer on Saturday August 26, 2023 @02:19AM (#37270325)
I'm seeing an increase in college students in Japan with iPads and Apple Pencils. And most of the visiting students from other countries have them for sure.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by fouc on Saturday August 26, 2023 @01:57AM (#37270259)
Yeah it's amazing how many iPads + Apple Pencils students have these days. I notice this in Thailand universities as well.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by tbihl on Saturday August 26, 2023 @11:59AM (#37273981)
Almost all of the students in the undergrad engineering courses I teach seem to use them. 10 years ago, I had a Samsung Note tablet that was great for coursework: it made comparatively trivial the then-daunting task of keeping all your coursework organized and having it with you when you needed it. It was great back then, and now they're significantly cheaper with Apple. If the Samsung options were comparably cheap and sporting reading-friendly screen ratios, I would've skipped Apple altogether.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by fouc on Saturday August 26, 2023 @01:57AM (#37270258)
I notice it more on airplanes when people want to watch their own movies.

I would also say that about 1/3 of people that work primarily from their laptop, and travel a lot (no easy access to a desktop monitor), will probably have an iPad as a second display as well.

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by mkaszkowiak on Saturday August 26, 2023 @03:20AM (#37270551)
iPads are often used by students for note taking, they seem to excel in this niche
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by ErneX on Saturday August 26, 2023 @03:34AM (#37270606)
I see plenty of them around (Spain).
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by Razengan on Saturday August 26, 2023 @03:45AM (#37270665)
I have plenty of American friends who (including their kids) use iPads all the time, almost everywhere.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by bemusedthrow75 on Saturday August 26, 2023 @04:23AM (#37270807)
I’m in the UK. Yesterday I watched an eighty-plus year old woman settle her similarly elderly, physically-impaired husband into his seat on the train then get out her iPad to write an email.

On my journey home in a more crowded train I saw half a dozen iPads just from where I was sitting. They are extremely useful devices for train journeys.

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by pbhjpbhj on Saturday August 26, 2023 @05:23AM (#37271042)
Only Apple iPads or are you using the term generically? I'm guessing you're in London or another major city?

Similar to the parent I only ever see iPads in two places, the hands of rich kids in restaurants, and in primary schools.

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by GraemeMeyer on Saturday August 26, 2023 @05:57AM (#37271231)
In the UK you basically only see iPads (95%+). Android tablets aren’t common
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by callahad on Saturday August 26, 2023 @07:45AM (#37271891)
Kindle Fire excepted; loads of those in the hands of kids all over.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by Fluorescence on Saturday August 26, 2023 @08:48AM (#37272385)
I see a lot of Surfaces in commuter hours.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by bemusedthrow75 on Saturday August 26, 2023 @06:22AM (#37271423)
Only Apple iPads as far as I could see, but by no means only the most expensive or newest. Non-Apple tablet devices really are not often seen in the UK (some convertible PCs, the occasional Samsung tablet).

If you spend a lot of time on public transport, an iPad isn't really that much of a luxury item. It's a really pragmatic choice, and at least in the UK an entry-level or recent secondhand iPad is not much more expensive than the cheapest usable alternative.

Most seats on British trains are not at tables, and while many (by no means all, depends on the operator) have a seatback tray table, it is generally not the right shape for all but the smallest laptop, and the proportions are not such that they work well with convertible PCs that use screen-cover keyboards.

We really get crammed into trains.

An iPad is large enough to read a book or emails even if you are stuck without a seat, the on-screen keyboard is practical enough to write reasonable emails or edit small documents on, watch a film on, etc.

So is a very cost effective way to make use of what might be 2+ hours of every working day.

(Train travel is pretty expensive over any distance, too. An entry level iPad is only about ten times the cost of an ad-hoc journey into London from where I am.)

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by throwaway2037 on Saturday August 26, 2023 @08:27AM (#37272204)

    So is a very cost effective way to make use of what might be 2+ hours of every working day.
Here is the first mistake. Get rid of the ridiculous commute. Then, you will not need an iPad!
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by bemusedthrow75 on Saturday August 26, 2023 @08:47AM (#37272382)
Two hours of commuting in the south east of the UK is as little as thirty miles each way in the overground part alone. Quite a common commute. Far from a ridiculous one, and if you get a seat, not really very uncomfortable.

You can either drive it and do nothing but listen to something relatively simple, or sit in a train and read/work/draw/listen/play games/sleep.

(It’s not my commute; I work from home. But I visit clients sometimes; yesterday involved six hours of train/tube travel. I wouldn’t do that every day but I could do it once a week.)

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by googlryas on Saturday August 26, 2023 @11:03AM (#37273518)
30 miles is an outrageous commute. To put it another way, there are 2800 square miles of land closer than your job.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by ghaff on Saturday August 26, 2023 @11:19AM (#37273664)
2 hours each way is indeed not a very sustainable commute. I had a 90 minute one about every other day for a bit over a year and I wouldn't have wanted to do that long-term.

However, 30 miles is significantly under the average US commuting distance. And, unless you live and work near an urban downtown, 30 miles probably doesn't get you to a lot of appropriate professional jobs. I live in an exurb outside a major metro and my (nominal) office is the nearest tech job I could physically commute to and it barely squeezes in under 30 miles.

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by googlryas on Saturday August 26, 2023 @11:27AM (#37273734)
No, the average US commute is 16 miles one way, whereas OP was saying 30 miles each way:

https://hbr.org/2021/05/that-dreaded-commute-is-actually-goo...

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by ghaff on Saturday August 26, 2023 @11:39AM (#37273819)
I was basing it on this data: https://www.zippia.com/advice/average-commute-time-statistic...

But, yes, other numbers seem to be lower (and are generally more likely to quote commute time rather than distance which is probably more relevant for most people).

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by bemusedthrow75 on Saturday August 26, 2023 @05:13PM (#37276958)
Should clarify that I say two hours per day above. I don't think I'd spend two hours going thirty miles, or even necessarily choose a job that involved driving thirty miles every day.

But thirty miles in an hour on urban/suburban rail isn't particularly unusual. And this time is time you can use, if you have even a little bit of method about it. I know people who have done all the reading for entire higher education degrees in that period of time.

At any rate, the notion to which you're responding regarding the area of possible commute being 2800 square miles is foolish. You have to go to where the jobs gather, and there are all sorts of complex reasons why they don't distribute evenly across that area that a rational person should not spend time weighing up when they consider whether an iPad might be a useful thing for the train.

In my case, if I made the commute into London on a daily basis, knocking down the distance to this hypothetical US average of 16 miles might save, I think, about a third of the journey time in practice. It would knock off half of the price of a season ticket, which might be useful. But it would add easily 40% to the cost of a house, which is the overriding concern. And even then I'd still buy the iPad for that journey.

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by roland35 on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:05AM (#37272514)
Have you tried buying a place in London?? Not sure if this is sarcasm or not!
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by dazc on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:59AM (#37273005)
It's non-intended sarcasm. Lot's of people who work in London spend 2 hours (each way) a day travelling through open countryside in order to have both a decent job and somewhere basic to sleep at night.

People who actually live in London tend to be either very rich or unemployed.

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by deaddodo on Sunday August 27, 2023 @02:22AM (#37279925)
I used to commute 2-3hrs/day living in LA. It was just normal. Now that I can work from home, it irritates me even more that companies want to force that back on us.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by throwaway2037 on Monday August 28, 2023 @04:51AM (#37291448)
The traffic in LA is insane. I never understand why people live there for it. Or they should live within walking / biking distance of their job. Car traffic is hell on your mental and physical health.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by TheCapeGreek on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:08AM (#37272542)
>We really get crammed into trains.

Sincerely, from someone in the third world who has taken UK public transport. You don't.

I don't say this to disparage your message, but hopefully to give some gratitude for the nice things you do have over there.

I found it most amusing how people would get antsy and annoyed when a train was more than 5 minutes late in the UK. For years of me taking South African trains, if there was any delay worth being mad about, it would've been after 2 hours had passed.

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by bemusedthrow75 on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:42AM (#37272835)
People here don't really get upset about trains being even ten minutes late. That's normal.

And as far as safety is concerned, when every seat is full and there's already very little seat-to-seat distance, the aisle is crammed with people face to back with nothing to hang on to, and the vestibules are all full to the point that people are standing with nothing to support them if the train brakes hard, that is a crammed train. Dangerously so -- indeed, often illegally so.

And this is quite normal, routine and unexceptional at commuter times, and that is not talking about the underground, where it is routine to be packed in to the point that someone's nose is against the window (mine was, yesterday).

I'm sure there are trains elsewhere that are worse. There's nothing I can do about that; it doesn't really change my observation.

(I'm not sure there's a really good point about gratitude here, either, when the people paying for these services where they don't get a seat have to take out substantial loans to afford the annual ticket, whereas you can travel from Cape Town to Johannesburg, with a sleeping car berth, for about 20% more than the amount it costs me to travel an hour into London at off-peak times. But that's a separate point.)

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by masfuerte on Saturday August 26, 2023 @10:44AM (#37273363)
Back in the 80s the trains still had guard's vans. When you've stood in the middle of a crammed, unlit, violently shaking box with nothing for anyone to hang on to, a place in the aisle seems like luxury! On the other hand, the intercity seats were more comfortable in those days, the windows opened and you didn't have to wait for the train to stop before you got off.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by bemusedthrow75 on Saturday August 26, 2023 @03:44PM (#37276158)
Yeah. I went to school on the train and did that a couple of dozen times over seven years. Also remember being horrifyingly crammed into the corridor of a former first class carriage.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by SoftTalker on Saturday August 26, 2023 @02:54PM (#37275781)
> when every seat is full and there's already very little seat-to-seat distance, the aisle is crammed with people face to back with nothing to hang on to, and the vestibules are all full to the point that people are standing with nothing to support them if the train brakes hard, that is a crammed train.

That was the Metra BN line in Chicago when I lived there, at least the rush hour departures at around 5:00pm. I was on a train so full that I could not even fully get into the vestibule, I had to push people in with my body so the door could close behind me. Many times the CTA trains were similarly full.

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by iggldiggl on Monday August 28, 2023 @06:44AM (#37292157)
> with nothing to support them if the train brakes hard

Generally speaking and especially when compared with trams or buses, mainline trains don't really do "hard" braking, though. Though I concede that the jerk of coming to a full stop with the brakes fully applied (during regular braking drivers and/or the train control system will ease off the brakes before stopping) may be somewhat borderline in terms of keeping your stability.

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by gizajob on Saturday August 26, 2023 @11:00AM (#37273493)
I’m sure you’re totally right, but try getting a cross-country train in the UK on a Sunday when the two trains in front of you have been cancelled. And paying £110 for the privledge. You really do get crammed in.

Also try the Tube in London’s rush hour - more like stuffed in than even crammed in. Full armpit-in-the-face experience.

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by TheCapeGreek on Monday August 28, 2023 @04:18AM (#37291263)
I've been on one or two London trains during rush hour. Yeah, it's cramped.

I've also hung out of Cape Town trains because that's the only way to get on - all doors forced open by commuters so we can get a few more people to work.

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by gjvc on Saturday August 26, 2023 @12:59PM (#37274578)
The UK is becoming a third world country at a rapid pace, don't you worry.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by gizajob on Sunday August 27, 2023 @03:02AM (#37280122)
I was in Malaysia in March and there was a big public artwork showing Malaysia’s commitment to the UN Sustainable Development Goals, and I thought “Sh*t we need those too!”

https://sdgs.un.org/goals

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by tweetle_beetle on Sunday August 27, 2023 @04:30PM (#37286362)
I once did a project (not freelance I hasten to add) for a wealthy and shady company based in a very expensive office in a very expensive old money postcode. They are involved in immoral, and probably illegal, activities, some of which received attention from national press. They were the sort of organisation that has disaster comms skills in house. They also had a document that proudly proclaimed how they met every single one of the UN's SDGs. Never understood how they managed to keep a straight face on that topic.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by gjvc on Sunday August 27, 2023 @05:16PM (#37286717)
This sounds fascinating!
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by gizajob on Sunday August 27, 2023 @07:11PM (#37287568)
I’ve no doubt they did. Shame about the illiterate plebs begging nearby though.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by ghaff on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:36AM (#37272779)
I literally can't remember the last time I took a laptop out on a train or a plane. If it's a short trip, I may get by with just my phone (or phone + Kindle) but for longer trips I like the iPad as a media consumption and note taking device even if, to the OP's point, it's not really a laptop replacement.

That said, I'm going on a few week--mostly recreational--trip in a bit and I'll just take my phone and my iPad. It will be fine for note-taking at the conference I'm attending and I really just want media consumption and a browser on something bigger than my phone for everything else.

An iPad is probably one of my more optional devices but I've gotten almost 10 years out of my current model so it doesn't feel like an unreasonable luxury even if I mostly use it when traveling.

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by pbhjpbhj on Saturday August 26, 2023 @05:42PM (#37277181)
Thanks for expanding on your experience. Not commuting, and coming from a relatively poor small city, when I'm on trains I only ever see people on phones and occassionally laptops for people doing actual work.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by ngcc_hk on Saturday August 26, 2023 @07:30PM (#37277884)
Same; except I also do south England to Scotland by train … the one thing is the 4/5g reception or Wi-Fi is really no good. Have to download things before (Netflix) or make sure the book you want to read is actually in the book app. Then 7 hour is ok. Notebook as said is too big.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by asdfgeoff on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @03:24AM (#37318736)
> … a seatback tray table, it is generally not the right shape for all but the smallest laptop …

As someone who very much prefers having a physical keyboard, the only workable solution I have found for UK trains is an iPad with the Magic Keyboard, whose cantilever design is relatively shallow, and which provides a firm base for balancing on your legs.

There is no reason this form factor couldn't be achieved with an android tablet, but it feels relatively uncommon. Most keyboard cases I've seen are only really suitable for stable table/desk scenarios.

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by ClumsyPilot on Saturday August 26, 2023 @06:45AM (#37271559)
Commute Chelmsford to London (27 minutes), annual ticket is $6,000.

So cost of an iPad isn't a huge concerns at that point

https://www.thetrainline.com/season-tickets/chelmsford-to-lo...

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by markb139 on Saturday August 26, 2023 @06:52AM (#37271594)
We have an 87 year old who is a real fan of her iPad for staying in touch, reading and audio books. I personally use 3 ipads - I hate to throw stuff away: 1) old 9.7 pro as main device 2) old Air 2 for Zwift (this will sadly retire when updates are no longer available 3) Even older Air for connecting to FlightSim for charts
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by sib on Saturday August 26, 2023 @11:16AM (#37273644)
iPads dominate the "premium" segment worldwide (something like 70-80% market share of tablets from US$300 - US$1000). Below that, it's all versions of Android - Apple doesn't sell non-premium tablets. Above that, Surface has meaningful share, although iPad still plays significantly.

(Source - worked at Google in Android)

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by mr_tombuben on Saturday August 26, 2023 @05:08AM (#37270970)
I use an iPad exclusively at home on a couch/in bed. It's really great for low effort media consumption/web browsing, but I couldn't imagine bringing it with me somewhere instead of just taking a laptop. Even for media consumption on a train or airplane, I prefer a laptop because of it being easier to prop up in a cramped space.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by nottorp on Saturday August 26, 2023 @05:28AM (#37271060)
Yep. I have an iPad (cheap, not pro) on my nightstand.

I take the laptop when traveling because who knows what I'll need it for.

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by throwaway2037 on Saturday August 26, 2023 @08:29AM (#37272224)
Why a "cheap" iPad instead of a much cheaper Android tablet?
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by Zetobal on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:03AM (#37272508)
Because android ignored their tablet UI for years and are now optimising it for folding phones.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by nottorp on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:26AM (#37272690)
Because it's been working just fine(tm) for at least 5 years. Maybe more, i forgot how old it is.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by theshrike79 on Saturday August 26, 2023 @10:48AM (#37273401)
Tablets have been first class members of the iOS ecosystem for a decade. Even more so after the release of iPadOS.

Android tablets don’t get any specific APIs or special treatment on Android.

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by tzhenghao on Saturday August 26, 2023 @05:43AM (#37271145)
These days my parents based in Asia use the two iPads I gifted them almost exclusively. They watch YouTube videos, Netflix, Facetime the kids and browse the web on them. The only time my dad boots up my old college MacBook is when he has to do important document editing - never more than once every month. To my surprise, he's even using the iPadOS Files app extensively. We're just not the target market.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by dingus9001 on Saturday August 26, 2023 @06:58AM (#37271634)
I'm a physicist in Germany, my supervisor got iPads with Apple Pencils for the entire group, we find it very useful for note taking especially since we can share screen on zoom to use them like digital whiteboards. When I give tutorials I notice at least a quarter of my students are usually using either iPads, remarkable or a windows convertible with pen support
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by eru on Saturday August 26, 2023 @07:02AM (#37271665)
I own an iPad but mostly use it at home, so you wouldn't see me using it at an airport or on a train.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by TeMPOraL on Saturday August 26, 2023 @08:02AM (#37272019)
In US, I hear it's a common "computer for non-tech-savvy people, who you want to set up with once, and have them not bother you for the next couple years" choice.

As for the form factor, I do travel with a tablet. More specifically, a 2-in-1 device, with a stylus. An x86 one, though (specifically, Dell Latitude 5290, which has specs like MS Surface, but was 3x cheaper) - because I've learned from experience that iPads and Android tablets are just large phones without the phone call function, and not suitable for any productive use. Meanwhile, my Dell hosts a touchscreen-optimized Windows 10, which hosts a Linux distro, which hosts the actual OS - Emacs.

(I also learned to love the Ribbon. On a 2-in-1, it's very obvious what Microsoft was going for, and why it's a good design - for touchscreens.)

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by oracle2025 on Saturday August 26, 2023 @04:01PM (#37276321)
Android Tablets with Mobile Internet are perfectly fine phones. I've used a LTE Samsung tablet exclusively as my only "Smart" phone for a while, and had a Dual-Sim to share the same Phone number as on my "Dumb"-phone, (Nokia 8110 4G) ...
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by NoZebra120vClip on Sunday August 27, 2023 @08:02AM (#37281814)
From 2015-2019, my only mobile device was an Android tablet with no SIM card. At purchase, I signed up for a Google Voice number, and I sort of got by with VoIP service over WiFi wherever I could.

Since then, I've purchased a proper mobile phone, and I transferred my landline home phone over to that SIM card, and it's my main line now. I use my Voice number very rarely.

One of the drawbacks to SIM cards is that you can't really get the phone service mirrored or transferred to a regular computer. Sure, you can "link" the phone if it's nearby, but the service itself stays there.

I've had a number of times where I'd really like to have voice/SMS service on that number available via computer (some people I know are actually creeped out by my having two phone numbers at once), but what can you do.

I haven't traveled since the Before Times anyway, so boarding a plane with devices is the least of my worries.

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by masklinn on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:41AM (#37272822)
I’ve got a fair number of family members who use them as their routine browsing devices. They don’t have laptops tho.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by whynotminot on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:43AM (#37272838)
Maybe it is an American thing. iPads here are nearly as ubiquitous as AirPods.

More for planes than trains though. Most people just read their phone on a train commute.

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by smugma on Saturday August 26, 2023 @10:09AM (#37273099)
Do you not know poor or working class parents? Do they not use iPads or other tablets?
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by smugma on Saturday August 26, 2023 @10:11AM (#37273115)
My 80+ year old dad uses his iPad+keyboard 90% of the time. He’ll use the computer when he needs to print or scan something.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by theshrike79 on Saturday August 26, 2023 @10:45AM (#37273370)
I’m not American and both my mother and my mother in law (both over retirement age) use an iPad as their only large-screen computing device along with an iPhone.

It’s not a “rich parent” thing, it’s a “this device has actual support from the manufacturer for years” thing. Android tablets are still an afterthought with Samsung the only one bravely attempting to bring large screen support to the OS.

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by alewi481 on Saturday August 26, 2023 @10:51AM (#37273424)
I have one that I use for my grad school studies almost exclusively as an e-reader for textbooks and a notepad.

I could similarly just invest in a cheap e-reader device and a physical notepad and it wouldn’t disrupt my studies but I shelled out a little more for a used iPad for the longer than typical device support and because I’m already in the Apple ecosystem.

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by MarcusE1W on Saturday August 26, 2023 @11:53AM (#37273938)
Most of my family in Germany have an iPad. In fairness many households I know have one. Especially for elderly people it’s the perfect computer (as in laptop, desktop) substitute.
Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by pyreko on Saturday August 26, 2023 @03:01PM (#37275840)
Canadian here, iPads are really common amongst (uni/college) students as well, from my experience - they make good notetaking/general course work devices. Off the top of my head I think like 40-70% of students in my classes had an iPad.

And as another comment said, iPads are pretty common options here for some people who aren't really power users that essentially want a phone experience, but bigger. I've set up my mom with an iPad + PiHole for home use and she's super happy with it as a video and browsing device that is generally reliable. She does have access to a PC I built as well, but an iPad is much more portable around the house for her (e.g. she needs to follow a recipe while cooking).

Re:Giving up the iPad-only travel dream by gtani on Monday August 28, 2023 @12:18AM (#37289707)
Mine works great as edoc reader but the pencil doesn't have full mouse functionality and the mechanical switch BT keyboard i need to do non trivial inputs adds a lot of bulk.. so still has a lot of potential.