because it's as obvious as the nose on your face it is not what all prefer.

But you can then also see that it’s obvious that people who like seeing people face-to-face every day do not prefer this:

> How about a face to face meeting once per quarter?

Some people, yes, but not everyone.

Nobody’s stopping you from doing whatever you want. You want to pay for an office building and sit it it that’s fine.

The problem comes when you try to stop what others want.

Nobody can make you work in an office if you don't want to. Organizations should obviously be free to demand it and you should be free to work somewhere else if you don't want to.

1. Nobody’s stopping anyone. If you’ll only work for a remote company, nobody’s forcing you to come back into the office. Just get a new remote job and quit.

2.Even if your job is forcing you to do something you don’t like, that’s not a problem. If I want to use Windows and the company only lets people use Macs, then that’s not a problem. It’s a rule that either I’ll comply with or I won’t work there anymore.

If a company decides to be in-person-only then the people who want to work at a remote-only company won’t work there (or they will).

This sounds good in theory. I have a problem with giving bogus reasons for RTO. If corpos would be honest about this and provide the right incentives we wpuld not have a problem

1) Nobody is preventing you from working for a tyrant like Twit…er X and be forced to work in the office everyday (as long as they’ve paid their rent). Forcing 100% in office is nothing less than tyrannical behavior. If you don’t like their WFH policy, go work somewhere else

To sum up your summary, that’s why we’re seeing companies lose employees faster than they anticipated.

> Forcing 100% in office is nothing less than tyrannical behavior. If you don’t like their WFH policy, go work somewhere else

From the perspective of those who prefer in-office work, how is this any different from forcing a WFH policy on everyone? Why is that not tyrannical behavior?

How do we effectively give that minority what they want without forcing it on the majority? If you have 8 guys who don't come in and 4 who do its not really like working in an in office company you will end up relying on remote tools in order to include the other fellows anyway. It logically will be almost like working remotely but with a commute. At that point do you want to drive in to have a zoom meeting?

What happens when you have two office locations, even a few blocks apart in the same city? Or two floors in the same tower?

Logically you end up using remote tools and you might as well connect to those from your desk at home.

Indeed - this happens between people on two floors of a building I often visit, even when their offices are directly above/below one another!

Really, that’s your logical conclusion?

For many people the separation between home and work has real value and for many people (particularly younger people with roommates in smaller apartments) their homes don’t have a dedicated workspace with a desk.

The WeWorK I go to has nicer furniture, Internet, and lighting than my home. It is in no way logical for me to work out of my apartment.

You need a minimum of 4x5 workspace and a full size mattress is about 5.5 x 6 a twin closer to 3x6.

Even an apartment bedroom 10x12 can accommodate both in an L. Gig internet is also a lot cheaper than commuting or we work. If you are a professional there is little excuse not to have a desk and fast Internet at home.

Doing tech support I was always shocked to see some folks including techies angry that their elcheapo Internet plan with 10 year old rented equipment downstairs wasn't working well for their hyper important job.

Invest in yourself a bit.

> If you are a professional there is little excuse not to have a desk and fast Internet at home.

Jesus Christ, here’s my excuse: Before the pandemic I didn’t work at home. After the pandemic, I work at WeWork.

WeWork is $150 a month btw and includes free coffee and A/C in the summer (my apartment doesn’t have A/C) as well. Plus I can walk there in 30 minutes so the dollar-cost of commuting isn’t an issue.

You realize picking a nearby office of your choosing is nothing like coming into the office right. You selected it for proximity to obviate 99% of the downsides of the office and if you don't like the situation you can pick up and change it without changing jobs.

It’s actually further than where my office used to be pre-pandemic. I’d have a similar bike/walk commute to probably 70% of the office jobs in my city.

I hate remote work but I happen to like my current job enough to stick with it despite it being remote. My next job will be in-office.

> How do we effectively give that minority what they want without forcing it on the majority

You don’t have to. Somebody at the company (owner, board, leadership team, etc.) decides if they want to be remote, on-site, or hybrid. Then leave it up to everyone who works there to make a decision about whether that’s something they can live with.