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Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by Dig1t on Monday July 24, 2023 @01:59PM (#36851879)
The largest question that they are not talking about is: will porn apps be allowed? Two very different futures depending on how that question is answered.
Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by nerdjon on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:15PM (#36852113)
Sadly most likely not given the App Store right now.

This (well not porn specifically but related) is my biggest concern about the Vision Pro. They are trying to bill it as a computer (like the iPad) and while I am sure for a lot of people they will be able to do most of their work and play on this device, I am worried about how closed it will be.

I love my Apple devices, but I find it very frustrating that even with how powerful the latest iPad's are that as long as it remains a closed platform I will never be able to do my job (writing code) on it and I worry the same will be true for this device.

I am excited about the vision pro personally, but it slightly annoys me that the people that they need to court to make this a success (developers) can't do their job on the device itself.

But I also find myself on the flip side and the closed platform is part of why I choose Apple also.

Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by madeofpalk on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:03PM (#36851943)
Porn apps are not allowed on any of their existing App Stores, so I'm not sure why this would be different.
Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by Dig1t on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:07PM (#36851989)
Well, this platform is uniquely well suited for porn. It would be a massive system seller for them if it were allowed. It goes beyond just videos, interactive experiences are a new thing for porn and you need to actually be able to install an app to make them work.

There is historical precedent for platform winners being the one that had the support of the porn industry. See: Blu-ray vs HD-DVD and others.

Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by madeofpalk on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:39PM (#36852471)
You think Apple’s going to have a massive change of heart and let porn onto their App Store?

The question here isn’t whether you think Porn is a unique application of AR/VR, it’s whether Apple would allow it onto their curated App Store.

Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by chasd00 on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:14PM (#36852094)
The AR experience of a virtual door in your living room, a knock, then opening the door and in steps a pornstar who then sits down on your couch would be revolutionary.
Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by ceejayoz on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:08PM (#36852012)
The closest Apple is likely to get is allowing some form of side-loading.
Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by qingcharles on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:59PM (#36852762)
They'll probably be forced into side-loading, like the EU is doing with iOS right now.
Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by dingnuts on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:10PM (#36852043)
There are definitely apps for playing 3D 3/6DOF videos over a network available in the Oculus store, like Skybox VR

I guess that isn't a porn app but neither is a web browser, technically. Are people installing first party porn apps on their other devices?

Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by dandellion on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:10PM (#36852046)
So what are the chances that this ends up like Betamax? I mean that a technically inferior alternative will allow porn and take over.
Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by s4i on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:24PM (#36852261)
That is not why Betamax failed. There was porn on beta. Betamax failed because the cassettes didn’t hold as much tape as VHS and JVC’s licensing model for recorders was cheaper and more straightforward than Sony’s. In the rental market, the format with slightly less friction was a bit more popular each year, which sealed the deal by the mid-80s.
Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by MBCook on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:36PM (#36852433)
Plus, when Beta made alterations to fit more on a tape (extended play modes to use the VHS term), the quality dropped to close to VHS levels, so the advantage was gone.

Even then, VHS could do the same thing, drop quality more, and fit EVEN MORE on a tape.

It seems pretty clear to me, ignoring licensing which was a huge issue, that beta was designed for recording TV shows while VHS also had movies in mind.

Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by ceejayoz on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:20PM (#36852205)
VHS didn't have manufacturer-controlled content purchasing.

The other major VR device manufacturers have a similar approach; you get the apps and content through their stores. Sony, Facebook, Google, etc. are all similarly unlikely to have official porn support; Steam is perhaps the most likely (as they permit at least some adult gaming on their store).

I suspect you'll see plenty of porn apps in jailbreak / sideload world. Quest already has 'em that way.

Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by MBCook on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:38PM (#36852455)
We still don’t know whether or not there is an official side loading story (ala Mac) or if it’s locked down (ala iOS, though I think that’s odds favorite).
Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by herval on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:21PM (#36852214)
What's the chances the iPhone will end up like Betamax? It doesn't offer porn apps, after all
Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by MBCook on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:37PM (#36852439)
I agree. It’s been 16 years. Clearly failed like Beta.
Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by fragmede on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:25PM (#36852280)
Safari visits Pornhub just fine. The question is if video playing will support side-by-side video for 3D in the browser.
Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by herval on Monday July 24, 2023 @04:13PM (#36853593)
Since webxr is confirmed to be supported, and u can do 3d video with it, it’d be extremely unlikely they would restrict that
Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by dandellion on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:26PM (#36852305)
Higher than zero, its market share is much lower than Android.
Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by herval on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:02PM (#36851914)
webxr is supported, so web-based apps will work

as for official app store apps, I highly doubt it

Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by Slitted on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:10PM (#36852027)
A quick look at the App Store answers your question: no. Those will need to be webapps.
Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by mdgrech23 on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:01PM (#36851902)
I mean couldn't they just not allow porn apps but allow you play video and what's on those videos is up to you?
Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by ceejayoz on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:03PM (#36851933)
Sure, but there will be enterprising developers looking to go far beyond that not very interactive approach. Hand tracking plus a full gaming PC plus 3D rendering has some... obvious possible end results.
Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by VectorLock on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:02PM (#36851921)
You don't need a $3000+ AR headset to play videos.
Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by sshff on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:13PM (#36852082)
As in apps that have porn as one of their specific uses that will be for sale in the official App Store? You’ve got more chance of Tim Cook announcing that the full line of Apple hardware will be switching to Android as a base operating system and only releasing with pink flocked finishes from now on.
Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by jojobaskins on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:08PM (#36852005)
God I hope not... Porn is probably one of the most malicious vices influencing how young people (esp boys) view themselves as shameful and romance as transactional. Technology wise there isn't much to build beyond full games since 360 videos have been around for ages now, just a player would suffice.

Edit: Actually with ai gfs and all that crap there are many dystopian places devs could take this.

Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by dubcanada on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:30PM (#36852347)
I am wondering as to why you think it is especially boys? Do girls who are completely surrounded by basically nude females with perfect bodies 24/7 not experience the same level of influence?

If anything I would think it would be the opposite, that girls have it the hardest as boys expect all females to look exactly like they do in movies, billboards, porn, etc. Versus males which tend to be not great, but not nearly as bad.

Anyways onto Apple Vision Pro... I do think that porn is an interesting question, I doubt Apple will do it. But whoever does will probably do WAY better purely because porn has been the reason for so many media format wins over the past century.

Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by dingnuts on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:44PM (#36852536)
I think the GP is talking about porn's irresistibility among adolescent boys. Their use hurts both themselves and women, by setting bad expectations. You're actually agreeing past one another.. kind of funny considering all the down votes, especially since down isn't supposed to mean "disagree"

Is the GP violating conversational rules or just voicing an opinion perceived as unpopular?

Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by dubcanada on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:46PM (#36852574)
That makes sense to me, was mostly just wondering. I am not disagreeing, the phrasing was just strange so wanted to clarify.
Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by jojobaskins on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:51PM (#36852652)
Social media is definitely worse for girls, but most consumers of porn are boys. In any case, setting clear bounds of interactivity is good and it looks like Apple isn't allowing direct porn experiences on Vision Pro because those apps will available through the app store.
Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by nerdjon on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:25PM (#36852284)
Maybe we stop also teaching that sex is shameful when it isn't?

I really don't think porn is what causing people to think that sex is a shameful act when it is perfectly natural.

Sure there are some valid discussions around porn and body image but so is there with advertising, movies, etc etc etc. It isn't like porn is the only thing pushing the "perfect" body image.

Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by herval on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:19PM (#36852184)
porn has existed since humans were able to draw pictures on cave walls, and on every kind of medium invented since. That "malicious vice" won't go away any time soon
Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by piyh on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:14PM (#36852103)
Porn has been VR, and this an AR machine. This could be the robo-gf bladerunner 2049 experience. You're thinking too small.
Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by CharlesW on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:24PM (#36852272)
> Porn has been VR, and this an AR machine.

Apple Vision Pro does both. Even when you're using it for AR use cases, you're seeing reality as captured and processed by the AVP.

Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by Dig1t on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:21PM (#36852218)
Your opinion is probably not popular, but I agree with you.

I was speaking from a purely business perspective, from Apple’s point of view they should do this to sell systems.

For society, I think this is probably terrible.

Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by delfinom on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:21PM (#36852208)
>view themselves as shameful and romance as transactional

No, you can thank social media algorithms on YouTube and TikTok pushing "influencers" like Tate.

They get fed a stream of essentially shitbag instruction videos and individuals trying to be a "role model". They specifically garner audiences of young men.

porn on the other hand has been around even for us millennials and older, we turned out fine. What we didn't have was the Tiktok and Youtube algorithms.

Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by VectorLock on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:01PM (#36851913)
It sounds crass, but this really would be the make-or-break use-case just like it was for the VHS and DVD formats.
Re:Apple Vision Pro developer kit by turnsout on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:55PM (#36852712)
There's always WebXR…