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Re:X.com by robbywashere_ on Monday July 24, 2023 @04:43AM (#36844705)
If he wanted to make all these sweeping changes then why did he alienate his staff?

Can you imagine all the time and money that was put into staffing Twitter? There is value to an organization and its unwritten human network upon which it operates. Then it was just blown away over night to appease some beanie wearing mouth breathers on the platform

Re:X.com by spidersenses on Monday July 24, 2023 @05:15AM (#36844974)
>Then it was just blown away over night to appease some beanie wearing mouth breathers on the platform

And before that, Twitter tried to appease a blue-haired 'Trigglypuff' mob, with questionable economical success.

Re:X.com by astrange on Monday July 24, 2023 @07:17AM (#36846025)
Unquestionable economic success. It was extremely profitable because it caused someone to buy the company for $44 billion.
Re:X.com by sshine on Monday July 24, 2023 @05:09AM (#36844920)
Firing all those people is undoubtedly risky; Twitter’s unpaid office rent is an example of a consequence of that.

But the assessment was that there were way too many people to solve the task of running Twitter. And Twitter is still running.

Re:X.com by astrange on Monday July 24, 2023 @05:18AM (#36844996)
It sure wasn't running last week when it didn't load half the time I tried it.

(Some of that time it was trying to serve me intranet pages.)

Re:X.com by zpeti on Monday July 24, 2023 @05:29AM (#36845069)
There might be some outages, but still, Twitter as an entity is operating just fine, if Elon's claims are correct time spent on twitter is at record highs, and similarweb doesn't show any real decrease in visitors: https://www.similarweb.com/website/twitter.com/#traffic

Reddit, Twitter, Facebook all had outages in the beginning all the time, it's not a deal breaker for heavily network effect products.

So really, yes, getting rid of some staff has caused outages, but it's also sped up development of new features, and not really affected usage.

Re:X.com by wun0ne on Monday July 24, 2023 @05:50AM (#36845237)
What new features? Rate-limiting? $8 blue check amplification? Advertiser haemorrhage?
Re:X.com by sshine on Monday July 24, 2023 @06:44AM (#36845704)
Less shadow-banning based on personal views?
Re:X.com by lesuorac on Monday July 24, 2023 @07:04AM (#36845898)
You would call "less shadowing banning" a _new Feature_?

Like if I make a wrench and one year I make 50% less of them I wouldn't say I developed a new feature. If I created a slightly different wrench I might call it a new feature but just doing more or less of something I already have isn't _new_.

So to circle back, what new features has twitter developed?

Re:X.com by astrange on Monday July 24, 2023 @07:05AM (#36845905)
That's called working the refs. You just complain something's happening nonstop whether or not it actually is, and eventually the admins give you treats to shut you up. (Popular right-wing account "catturd2" constantly complains about this even though Elon put him on the special list that shows him in everyone's for you feed, along with dril and the menswear guy.)

In this case it is still happening because that's mostly bugs, and they definitely aren't fixing the bugs. Also, because some of the signal comes from how many people have blocked you, and personally repellent right-wingers get frequently blocked!

Re:X.com by zpeti on Monday July 24, 2023 @07:35AM (#36846202)
Edit button, separating for you and following, blue checks, 140+ character tweets, unlimited video, algorithm adjustments, live video streaming on the way.

At least be intellectually honest. Please. I know you hate Elon, but at least consider the actual facts. (This is more change than twitter did for 15 years before Elon)

Re:X.com by gingerrr on Monday July 24, 2023 @10:16AM (#36848372)
> separating for you and following

Are you counting the fact that those are now different UI tabs as a new "feature"? Twitter always had the ability to switch between chronological feed of just accounts you followed, and an algo-curated feed of those tweets + other tweets you may have interest in, sorted by interest rank - that's exactly what "for you" is now.

> blue checks

Really not sure what you're claiming here. Verification was already a thing, as was Twitter Blue (long form tweets for paid accounts) - the only "feature" elmo introduced is ambiguity about what that check represents - is it someone who has spent the last 15 years on twitter as a notable public presence with a verifiable identity? or some rando with $8 on a prepaid credit card? Who knows, now.

> unlimited video

to count this as a feature the video player has to actually work reliably. it does not, by any metric. endless buffer, glitching, skipping with no way to reload lost chunks. the 10s videos were an annoying limitation but they just worked.

> This is more change than twitter did for 15 years before Elon

Circles. Spaces. Communities. Community Notes. Co-tweets. Alt text tagging as a first-class citizen of image posting. User tipping options. NFT profile pics. These are all features released in the last 5 years of twitter before elmo took over.

If we're talking about intellectual honesty let's apply it evenly.

Re:X.com by astrange on Monday July 24, 2023 @10:45AM (#36848886)
Edit button and video streaming are not new. Editing was a Twitter Blue feature.

Remember when he said they'd turn fleets (Snapchat) back on months ago and didn't?

Re:X.com by ulfw on Monday July 24, 2023 @05:17AM (#36844986)
Nobody is asking for a "Wechat" in the west. It's not something I've ever seen anyone craving for.

And no need to spend 44,000,000,000$ on twitter if all you want is to destroy the brand and replace it with a letter brand that's ungoogleable. But hey... what do I know.

Re:X.com by zpeti on Monday July 24, 2023 @05:31AM (#36845083)
> Nobody is asking for a "Wechat" in the west. It's not something I've ever seen anyone craving for.

I mean, I agree this is Elon's dream. But so is SpaceX and Tesla which he did quite well on.

Also - you're quote reminds of the oft cited henry ford quote:

“If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.”

Re:X.com by ulfw on Monday July 24, 2023 @06:01AM (#36845339)
True true and yet... People do want faster horses. The model T had 20hp. Try to get a Ford nowadays with less than 10x that ;)
Re:X.com by lesuorac on Monday July 24, 2023 @07:08AM (#36845932)
Isn't it what people crave?

Google didn't start adding the ability to do flights in the search engine because nobody was using that. People love one stop shopping.

Re:X.com by TRiG_Ireland on Monday July 24, 2023 @07:46AM (#36846326)
The only reason I'd ever use anything like that would be to send money to a person (not a business) in a non-SEPA country. And for that, I'd use PayPal. What's the business case for this X? How does it improve anything?
Re:X.com by ulfw on Monday July 24, 2023 @07:59AM (#36846478)
There's plenty of ways to do that today already including ubiquitous SWIFT transfers almost any bank supports. Plus several startups and tech companies who offer similar services. One doesn't need twitter for that (nor crypto currencies, which was yesterday's 'money transfer to foreign lands' big promise)
Re:X.com by ulfw on Monday July 24, 2023 @07:58AM (#36846465)
I don't shop on twitter. Why would I shop on twitter?

Honestly I can't follow the example at all. What does banking (one thing billionaire genius Musk wants to do on twitter) have to do with sending 140 character text posts? I don't see any kind of connection there at all.

Meanwhile Flight Search is a type of Search. The name kind of gives it away.

Re:X.com by lesuorac on Monday July 24, 2023 @08:15AM (#36846677)
Well how much do you use Twitter in general?

It better to think of WeChat like an iPhone as opposed to Twitter. So rather than opening up the Amazon App you can navigate to JD's store on WeChat. Obviously if you don't use WeChat / Twitter then them gaining a app store-lite feature isn't useful to you but cross-selling is a successful practice.

I'm sure JCPenny / etc would love if you could buy on Twitter though. Replace ad fees with just a simple %-age cut of the sale.