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Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human feces do not work

https://cdn.inst-fs-iad-prod.inscloudgate.net/ba474891-1430-4f35-9e31-ea513ae6cf1f/Eren%20et%20al.%202019.pdf?token=eyJhbGciOiJIUzUxMiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCIsImtpZCI6ImNkbiJ9.eyJyZXNvdXJjZSI6Ii9iYTQ3NDg5MS0xNDMwLTRmMzUtOWUzMS1lYTUxM2FlNmNmMWYvRXJlbiUyMGV0JTIwYWwuJTIwMjAxOS5wZGYiLCJ0ZW5hbnQiOiJjYW52YXMiLCJ1c2VyX2lkIjpudWxsLCJpYXQiOjE2ODkyNjU2ODEsImV4cCI6MTY4OTM1MjA4MX0.22riL7ZhARmNuP2fDiEvfV69gEkmY9Re6JrYUATo1hmCNIHp218b3JOJ031mlyKiq34diyV0vF7DnZfojTTrnA&download=1&content_type=application%2Fpdf

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Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by King-Aaron on Thursday July 13, 2023 @11:34PM (#36719179)
This directly links to a pdf, maybe want to warn people in the title. I'm not opening a random fkn pdf about poo that just automatically downloads.
Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by bigdict on Thursday July 13, 2023 @11:45PM (#36719253)
Done, thanks. The pdf is of a scientific article.
Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by defrost on Friday July 14, 2023 @12:00AM (#36719333)
It's literally a one pager;

Journal of Archaeological Science: Reports Volume 27, October 2019, 102002

with a hosted web version at

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352409X1...

The Abstract outlines the goal of puncturing a myth:

    The ethnographic account of an Inuit man manufacturing a knife from his own frozen feces to butcher and disarticulate a dog has permeated both the academic literature and popular culture.

    To evaluate the validity of this claim, we tested the basis of that account via experimental archaeology. Our experiments assessed the functionality of knives made from human feces in controlled conditions that provided optimal conditions for success.

    However, they were not functional.

    While much research has shown foragers to be technologically resourceful, innovative, and savvy, we suggest that this ethnographic account should no longer be used to support that narrative.
I'm reminded of our undergrad in-campus physics journal article on the results of several students shaving with razors some of which where kept under pyramids against a control group which were not.
Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by bigdict on Friday July 14, 2023 @12:02AM (#36719340)
This is a better link, wish I could update.
Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by defrost on Friday July 14, 2023 @12:10AM (#36719392)
It's a good find, not hugely significant but it gave me a chuckle :-)
Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by King-Aaron on Friday July 14, 2023 @03:58AM (#36720721)
Appreciate the run-down on it, and may read later. But I tend to be wary when you click a link and suddenly a small file unexpectedly downloads.
Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by defrost on Friday July 14, 2023 @04:05AM (#36720772)
Understandable - I pulled it down through a Qubes sandbox and the Convert to Trusted PDF tool

https://blog.invisiblethings.org/2013/02/21/converting-untru...

Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by HPsquared on Friday July 14, 2023 @05:08AM (#36721332)
I wonder how they controlled for material properties of the... material.

It seems there it a lot of variability there, as a natural product.

Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by pvaldes on Friday July 14, 2023 @12:13PM (#36726016)
(With all those sharp claws, carnassials and canines around, and he started playing with clay and saliva? guy, please...)
Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by metabagel on Thursday July 13, 2023 @11:58PM (#36719322)
Ignobel Prize contender
Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by tdeck on Friday July 14, 2023 @05:12AM (#36721377)
It really does seem like that's what they're aiming for, doesn't it?
Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by hilbert42 on Friday July 14, 2023 @08:47AM (#36723157)
Damn! you beat me to it.
Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by dekhn on Friday July 14, 2023 @11:10AM (#36725097)
Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by srcreigh on Friday July 14, 2023 @04:50AM (#36721169)
Pictures in the word doc linked to here [1]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352409X1...

Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by blitzar on Friday July 14, 2023 @05:04AM (#36721293)
MYTH BUSTED
Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by empiricus on Friday July 14, 2023 @05:07AM (#36721326)
"The use of saliva to sharpen a frozen fecal blade, as the original account describes (Davis, 1998), might also be examined. " It seems to me that some Inuit tried to troll the researchers :)
Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by tut-urut-utut on Friday July 14, 2023 @02:49PM (#36728242)
This just shows “researchers” are happy to research any shit that receives funding.
Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by theflyingelvis on Friday July 14, 2023 @05:57AM (#36721764)
Welp, good to know. I guess
Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by TazeTSchnitzel on Friday July 14, 2023 @06:04AM (#36721799)
There are a great many other unconventional materials you can make knives out of, though: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg3qsVzHeUt5_cPpcRtoaJQ
Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by somedude895 on Friday July 14, 2023 @07:50AM (#36722502)
What a gem of a channel! I watched the meat knife one and was mesmerized by the wonderful weirdness and calm.
Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by rkagerer on Friday July 14, 2023 @03:27PM (#36728768)
What was with the spinach / oxalic acid?
Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by s1artibartfast on Friday July 14, 2023 @05:50PM (#36730418)
Nitrate, NO−3 which is later used to preserve the chicken along with Carbon monoxide.

It was unclear from the video how much the preservatives contributed to the structural properties of the knife, or if they were just used to preserve it during the 2 weeks at 90F, which I assume dessicated the meat.

Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by xaellison on Friday July 14, 2023 @09:47AM (#36723983)
A paper claiming that an account about shit is bullshit is, I think, the best representation of Elsevier's presence in academia.
Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by Michelangelo11 on Friday July 14, 2023 @10:35AM (#36724583)
Two thoughts:

- OK, the poop knife claim in the story sounds incredibly weird, but what about using a dog's rib cage as a sled? It would not only be too small, but there's no way it could support a grown man's weight. It amazes me that anybody could ever take this story as anything other than a troll.

- I'm fascinated by the fact that, in the discussion section, the authors spend paragraphs justifying this work on the basis of how it affects narratives about the ingenuity of indigenous and prehistoric peoples. Says so much about the state of science.

Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by jwilk on Friday July 14, 2023 @10:40AM (#36724657)
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Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by vogon_laureate on Friday July 14, 2023 @12:11PM (#36725988)
Damn! Going to have to bin that startup idea and go back to the drawing board. All that hard work down the toilet...
Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by Dig1t on Friday July 14, 2023 @02:11PM (#36727759)
>Knives from the ceramic molds failed to cut or slice the pig hide, leaving only streaks

The picture is pretty funny.

Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by Tommah on Friday July 14, 2023 @05:09PM (#36729969)
They should have titled it "Cut the Crap."
Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by GJR on Friday July 14, 2023 @05:43PM (#36730345)
No shit.
Re:Experiments show knives manufactured from frozen human fe... by omniglottal on Saturday July 15, 2023 @12:57AM (#36733725)
"Failed to cut or slice..." This is obviously a stabbing weapon. A spike would also fail to cut or slice. This is bad science.