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Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by astrange on Friday June 16, 2023 @06:11PM (#36364617)
The EU isn't making good regulation, they don't have any tech companies and are just attempting to make it illegal to make anything in a fit of pique. The end result may be nobody selling phones there anymore.

Europe has an unhealthy culture of naturalistic hippiedom, so this is just the same thing that causes Germany to shut down nuclear power.

(If you think this one's good, try combining it with their six other giant laws you haven't heard of some of which conflict with this.)

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by stavros on Friday June 16, 2023 @07:02PM (#36365158)
I've been trying to find words to describe this take but I fail. It's as if someone thought "what's the most jingoistic thing I can say in support of the US and its anti-regulation free-for-all?".
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by astrange on Friday June 16, 2023 @07:16PM (#36365280)
The US isn't the only country with tech companies. You may have heard of China, Japan, or Korea.

And every country regulates cell phones in particular, since they use shared airwaves, have rare earth metals in them, sometimes have exploding batteries etc.

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by webmobdev on Friday June 16, 2023 @11:47PM (#36367071)
The end result may be nobody selling phones there anymore.

Really? Are you claiming that capitalists are so much of a fool that instead of making, say, half the profit they were making before in an unregulated market, they would readily prefer to make 0 profits? The reality is that if American BigTech exit the EU market, then some local or non-American competitor will step in to fill the vacuum. Or have you already forgotten that the European Nokia once dominated the mobile phone industry?

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by astrange on Saturday June 17, 2023 @05:48PM (#36375003)
Yes, I'm aware of how economic protectionism works.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by webmobdev on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @05:08AM (#36416194)
Nokia failed because Microsoft sent a trojan horse to them. Nokia died because of Microsoft.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by jacquesm on Saturday June 17, 2023 @01:18AM (#36367537)
This is a complete mis-characterization of the EU and it's ability to make laws.

As a legislative body it certainly isn't perfect but you are ascribing motivations and making statements about it that have zero connection with reality.

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by oblio on Saturday June 17, 2023 @02:58AM (#36367970)
This is some weird fantasy comment.

Please do link the other "six giant laws that conflict".

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by astrange on Saturday June 17, 2023 @05:47PM (#36374996)
GDPR, DMA, Cyber Resilience Act, Ecodesign Directive, the one in development about proactive CSAM scanning…
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by oblio on Saturday June 17, 2023 @07:25PM (#36375773)
To pick one, how does GDPR conflict with this battery regulation?
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by astrange on Saturday June 17, 2023 @07:38PM (#36375879)
"Some of which".

The people on here saying phone OSes should be open source and unlocked to make them last longer will find the ecodesign and security regulations actually encourage locking them down so you can't break them.

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by ImPostingOnHN on Saturday June 17, 2023 @11:52PM (#36377161)
is that a fact? I'm not sure.

could you specify the actual GDPR regulations in question which clearly conflict with these battery regulations (without any creative contrivance required on our part)?

or are you saying there isn't a conflict in that case (in which case, which ones do?) that part wasn't clear

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by astrange on Sunday June 18, 2023 @01:06AM (#36377501)
I did not say the GDPR conflicts with battery replacement, no.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by ImPostingOnHN on Sunday June 18, 2023 @01:18AM (#36377548)
which one conflicts with this proposed replaceable battery legislation?
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by astrange on Sunday June 18, 2023 @03:48AM (#36378155)
> The people on here saying phone OSes should be open source and unlocked to make them last longer will find the ecodesign and security regulations actually encourage locking them down so you can't break them.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by ImPostingOnHN on Monday June 19, 2023 @04:52PM (#36396306)
again: could you specify (meaning cite, obviously) the actual regulations in question which conflict with this battery legislation (you know, the topic)?

it seems like a creative but unlikely contrivance that there is an actual legal conflict there as you describe

you quoting yourself when it doesn't answer the question, without adding more context, leads me to believe that you don't think there is any actual legal conflict there, either

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by astrange on Monday June 19, 2023 @07:03PM (#36397526)
I did not say anything conflicted with replaceable battery legislation. I said other legislation conflicts with the things people who like this legislation want out of it. (Though maybe I misworded it.)
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by ImPostingOnHN on Monday June 19, 2023 @10:00PM (#36398845)
in that case, just cite those specific regulations which conflict, because again, the example seems contrived and unlikely (and FUD) without it
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by surgical_fire on Saturday June 17, 2023 @05:48AM (#36368740)
> The end result may be nobody selling phones there anymore

Yes, I firmly believe every every manufacturer would ignore an economic block full of developed countries and 450M people.

This is the sort of bad take that keeps me returning to HN. Some people here are incredibly dense.

On a side note, I wouldn't mind if Apple decided to not sell their toys around here anymore.