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Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by mike_d on Friday June 16, 2023 @04:45PM (#36363593)
To any mods facing similar pressure: you can implement ridiculous rules. Like how Reddit is fine with r/Superbowl deleting any post that isn't a picture of an owl.

Might I recommend requiring all posts to your sub to tag u/spez, or having an even number of characters, etc. All of which can easily be done with Automod.

This lets you to moderate your subreddit and enforce the rules while allowing it to wither on the vine.

Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by hillcrestenigma on Friday June 16, 2023 @04:59PM (#36363775)
> Like how Reddit is fine with r/Superbowl deleting any post that isn't a picture of an owl.

Minor nitpick: I agree with the idea, but the deletion of any post that doesn't contain an owl on r/Superbowl isn't a ridiculous rule. The subreddit is dedicated to "superb owls" and not to anything else.

Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by survirtual on Friday June 16, 2023 @05:16PM (#36364005)
Agreed. When I go to the superbowl subreddit, I am expecting many superb owls and nothing else. I don't see how anyone can have a problem with that. Sometimes, the users are the problem and we need a heavy hand to make sure they are obedient -- all for their benefit, not ours.
Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by jeremy_wiebe on Friday June 16, 2023 @05:03PM (#36363837)
Reminds me of Saturday Night Live’s Celebrity Jeopardy where one contestant famously mispronounced “ThePenIsMightier” category. (Just lowercase the first “I”)
Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by twiceaday on Friday June 16, 2023 @05:42PM (#36364327)
I'll take Anal Bum Cover for $7000
Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by willcipriano on Saturday June 17, 2023 @12:18AM (#36367236)
I'll take the rapists for $200
Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by basch on Friday June 16, 2023 @06:48PM (#36365031)
/r/apple should pivot to be about Apple Records and the Beetles
Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by SturgeonsLaw on Friday June 16, 2023 @08:42PM (#36365915)
I was hoping to go there for an in depth discussion about the merits of Granny Smith vs Red Delicious
Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by imba404 on Friday June 16, 2023 @09:59PM (#36366435)
Red Delicious is now a grotesque betrayal of its original version and you know it.
Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by SturgeonsLaw on Friday June 16, 2023 @11:26PM (#36366958)
Red Mediocre didn't test well with the focus groups
Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by arugulum on Friday June 16, 2023 @04:52PM (#36363673)
This really should be it. Open up but slowly deteriorate the experience.

Here's a concrete proposal: Set automod to delete any post/comment longer than 20 characters.

This makes discussion virtually impossible, and starts to impact the quality of Reddit posts. With enough subs cooperating (e.g. the subs that went private over the blackout), it'd already be making a serious impact on the usage experience of Reddit. Furthermore, this policy can be enacted indefinitely without stopping the "regular operation" of Reddit (i.e. mods can sit on this policy for as long as they need to, as opposed to the blackout which even from the start was planned with a time limit.)

Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by optimalsolver on Friday June 16, 2023 @04:55PM (#36363724)
Mod team will be gone by tomorrow morning if they try that.

Sounds like Reddit has ran out of patience.

Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by oAlbe on Friday June 16, 2023 @05:11PM (#36363946)
Yeah it was very patient of them to allow all those people to create, curate and moderate content on their platform at no cost to reddit.
Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by ahahahahah on Friday June 16, 2023 @06:06PM (#36364564)
This is actually a great example that justifies reddit's push to allow communities to remove their moderators if they are doing things so egregiously abusive to the community.
Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by pg_1234 on Saturday June 17, 2023 @05:24AM (#36368635)
Don't be restrictive, be overly permissive.

Let through offensive porn, copyright infringement, spyware, trojans.

There are hyper active pervert/malware communities out there who will eagerly assist.

This path opens Reddit the Corp up to lawsuits and regulatory oversight and does far more lasting damage.

Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by seanmcdirmid on Friday June 16, 2023 @05:21PM (#36364075)
I don't think this is going to win for Reddit mods on a technicality. Reddit can basically make up the rules as they go along since they own the platform, the only real option would be to find an alternative.
Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by phpisthebest on Friday June 16, 2023 @04:59PM (#36363768)
malicious compliance is the best kind of compliance
Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by CatWChainsaw on Friday June 16, 2023 @05:04PM (#36363853)
Yeah, just ask r/maliciouscompliance
Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by abhijat on Friday June 16, 2023 @05:30PM (#36364176)
I think spez has special protection against being tagged.
Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by shagie on Friday June 16, 2023 @05:36PM (#36364250)
Nearly everyone has most of those protections.

You can whitelist a set of accounts that can message you.

You can also turn off notifications for username mentions.

https://new.reddit.com/settings/notifications

Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by mardifoufs on Friday June 16, 2023 @05:52PM (#36364427)
Opposite actually. An example is r/drama, who was forbidden from tagging anyone with a literal hard-coded exception to the system. But spez iirc specifically said that they were still allowed to ping him .
Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by mjr00 on Friday June 16, 2023 @04:50PM (#36363654)
... or just resign as a moderator, start up a Discord/Lemmy instance, and let one of the thousands of people begging to be mods take over the subreddit? Nobody's forcing you to stay on as a mod if you're pissed about Reddit removing third-party app access.
Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by tacker2000 on Friday June 16, 2023 @04:54PM (#36363697)
Discord is a walled garden without any search indexing.

All knowledge is rotting in there unfortunately.

Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by arugulum on Friday June 16, 2023 @04:54PM (#36363709)
I don't think this "burn it all down" mentality is helpful.

Presumably the mods are protesting because they want a good Reddit/subreddit experience, and the new policies are hurting that. How is handing power over to someone who is supportive of Reddit's new policies helping that?

Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by pierat on Friday June 16, 2023 @05:05PM (#36363869)
Out of its ashes, something new will take its place.

I was a former lead mod a year ago of a large subreddit. I saw the writing on the wall THEN, and took the sub private, and booted the other mods I brought in. I then started purging content.

Not a few hours later, the other 2 mods I invited in messaged the admins, and removed my moderatorship and then banned my account.

Those subreddits, no matter how many "mod kudos" you have, were never yours, are never yours, and will always be digital sharecropping.

Burn it to the ground. Power is the ONLY message the admins and C levels understand.

Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by hedora on Friday June 16, 2023 @05:20PM (#36364056)
Export the data, then put it on a federated / standalone alternative first.

Otherwise, you're just burning digital books.

I'm curious to see what happens when people start following this advice (it's really the only reasonable path forward), and then what happens with the inevitable lawsuits about how reddit "owns" the content that the authors are "pirating".

Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by Zandikar on Friday June 16, 2023 @06:43PM (#36364979)
Why don't you start up a new subreddit, and let in the thousands of people begging for it to reopen? Nobody's forcing you to stare at the "this sub is private" page all day if you're pissed about people actually using what little power they have to fight back against a corporation trying to monetize the way you and your community socializes.
Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by optimalsolver on Friday June 16, 2023 @04:57PM (#36363747)
Average user: "I just wanted to talk about Apple products."
Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by samus on Friday June 16, 2023 @08:01PM (#36365631)
Average users benefit from the free labor of admins that keep the subreddits on topic, free of spam, mediate conflicts, and remove disruptive posters who degrade the overall experience of browsing and participating in the subreddit.
Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by activiation on Friday June 16, 2023 @05:05PM (#36363867)
Superb Owls... Nice
Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by the_only_law on Friday June 16, 2023 @06:13PM (#36364644)
I’m sure you can, but at this point, I don’t see why Reddit won’t just strip you from moderation and install someone else.
Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by rzazueta on Friday June 16, 2023 @06:56PM (#36365111)
This is a cleaning house / loyalty test: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/reddit-blackout-prote...

Reddit mods who do not want to be exploited further are best walking away now and trying to reform - if they decide, this must be exhausting - on the Fediverse.

Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by lamontcg on Friday June 16, 2023 @07:38PM (#36365460)
I'm not sure it started out as a loyalty test, but it is definitely going to function as one. Spez sees this as progress, flushing out problematic (to him) moderators.
Re:Apple subreddit reopens after moderation team threatened ... by Simulacra on Friday June 16, 2023 @08:16PM (#36365722)
Interesting, a comment with no up or down vote. Is it just me or did this comment just get pinned?