Re:Retired Air Force officer gets 3 years in prison for havi...
by Freedom2 on Friday June 09, 2023 @08:25PM
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This seems like a pretty serious crime. I can't imagine anyone higher than an officer keeping classified documents, or even contesting that they have any or if they are classified at all!
Re:Retired Air Force officer gets 3 years in prison for havi...
by cwillu on Saturday June 10, 2023 @05:38AM
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“It’s also much less exciting than you’d expect. The vast majority of classified information is less “here’s the latest CIA report on Putin’s strategy in Ukraine” and more “because we carried out the radio test with encryption on, all data from said test is now Secret”.”
Re:Retired Air Force officer gets 3 years in prison for havi...
by mrangle on Saturday June 10, 2023 @12:27AM
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David Petraeus shared some of the most classified docs in the government with his lover and biographer, which is a top crime. He got a slap on the wrist. DC trades on classified info leaks. I'm unsure specifically what this officer had and did with it, but observably prosecution of classified info breaches is entirely selective and political.
Re:Retired Air Force officer gets 3 years in prison for havi...
by seanhunter on Saturday June 10, 2023 @03:41AM
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Not super au-fait with this, but I think the person he shared the info with was already a Lt Col[1] in the reserves and so had some clearence already. That doesn't make it ok but significantly reduces the severity of the breach depending on how the documents were used.
"The plea deal establishes that Petraeus shared “black books” with Broadwell with “classified information regarding the identities of covert officers, war strategy, intelligence capabilities and mechanisms, diplomatic discussions, quotes and deliberative discussions from high-level National Security Council meetings, and defendant David Howell Petraeus’s discussions with the President of the United States of America”.
There isn't a grade to oopsies with clearances and classified info. Either it's a breach or it isn't. I've read Petraeus's breach being considered legally worse than Snowden's, given what was disclosed.
To my prior point, prosecutors make prosecution decisions in regard to classified info selectively and politically. In addition to selectively meting punishment.
Re:Retired Air Force officer gets 3 years in prison for havi...
by photochemsyn on Saturday June 10, 2023 @01:09AM
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It wouldn't be at all surprising to discover that only 10% of classified documents are legitimately worth keeping secret, and the other 90% are classified to hide various forms of waste, fraud, corruption etc. in military-industrial and intelligence-agency contracting deals from public scrutiny.
Re:Retired Air Force officer gets 3 years in prison for havi...
by jen729w on Saturday June 10, 2023 @03:58AM
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Oh it’s way lower than that. Once you’re past a certain door everything including the toilet paper is marked SECRET, just in case. Why not? Better be safe than sorry. And who has the time to actually evaluate every document?
Re:Retired Air Force officer gets 3 years in prison for havi...
by killingtime74 on Saturday June 10, 2023 @04:20PM
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I'm an Australian lawyer and we have things called sentencing guidelines. They are basically precedent or rules for sentencing specifically. Depends on the crime as well whether it is featured in the guidelines.
https://www.cdpp.gov.au/publications/sentencing-federal-offe...
-- https://www.navalgazing.net/The-American-Secrecy-System
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Broadwell
The wiki only glosses over the classified materials exchange in question with a single sentence.
Here's a better summary:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/mar/03/david-petrae...
"The plea deal establishes that Petraeus shared “black books” with Broadwell with “classified information regarding the identities of covert officers, war strategy, intelligence capabilities and mechanisms, diplomatic discussions, quotes and deliberative discussions from high-level National Security Council meetings, and defendant David Howell Petraeus’s discussions with the President of the United States of America”.
There isn't a grade to oopsies with clearances and classified info. Either it's a breach or it isn't. I've read Petraeus's breach being considered legally worse than Snowden's, given what was disclosed.
To my prior point, prosecutors make prosecution decisions in regard to classified info selectively and politically. In addition to selectively meting punishment.
Source: I worked behind that door.
If so could that mean that someone else with the same felony (say, D Trump) will get the same because precedent?
I am not a lawyer, we do not have this system (each case is reviewed independently) - just curious.