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Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by itsoktocry on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @08:41AM (#36211740)
>Reddit is closing on its IPO and is seemingly desperate to generate "growth" by bumping every possible metrics possible virtually.

If by "growth" and "metrics" you mean they have to figure out how to make money to sell themselves to investors in an almost-hostile financial environment, then yes, I agree.

Beginning of the end and all that. You can't sell "community". IPO means ads, ads, ads and dodgy strategies like you describe above.

Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by batmenace on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @08:43AM (#36211776)
IPO doesn't have to mean ads, though. There are other ways to monetize a user base and to generate money based off of a 'community'. They're just ways that require more time, more concerted effort and planning to execute.
Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by lkrubner on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @09:36AM (#36212512)
"More time" would equal "lower ROI" unless there is some magic inflection point that would cause a dramatic upward leap in gross margins. Gross margins, in this case, is mostly cost-per-user-acquisition. But "this new social network is amazing, I love it, and you should join" mostly happens when social networks are new, young, and small. It would be difficult to bring back the days of triple digit growth for a network the size of Reddit.
Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by djbusby on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @08:58AM (#36211943)
So, impossible.
Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by CivBase on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @09:07AM (#36212064)
Many platforms have recently shown how you can monitize an audience without ads. It's weird to me that Reddit hasn't pursued something like that.

Discord and Twitch have a funding model that would probably work great for Reddit. Allow users to pay a small fee to upgrade their subscription to a subreddit - maybe $1.50/mo per sub or $15/mo for all subs. The upgrade includes access to special emojis for the sub, a special flair or re-colored username, and no ads on the upgraded sub. A portion of the money would go towards funding moderation for the sub, and Reddit could pocket the rest.

Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by PhoenixReborn on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @09:15AM (#36212180)
The irony is that Reddit already has this feature, but that goes to show how poorly they market it. They also sell NFT avatars (though cleverly, not describing them as NFTs in the UI)
Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by moneywoes on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @09:38AM (#36212548)
Discord doesn’t charge for per sub access does it?
Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by fuzzzerd on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @09:52AM (#36212763)
No. They charge a yearly fee for their "nitro" product which offers some perks in any server you're in. Each server can setup their own perks (emoji, reactions l, user name color, etc) for nitro users that join.
Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by tourmalinetaco on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @10:17AM (#36213169)
You also get sitewide access to emojis/stickers from other servers, for the $2.99/mo Basic plan. For $9.99/mo you get profile customization, HD video streaming, and 500MB uploads.

Decent perks for an eye-watering price, and you don’t even get encrypted messages to boot.

Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by Semaphor on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @09:13AM (#36212145)
> A portion of the money would go towards funding moderation for the sub

That creates bad incentives, though. A streamer I mod for once suggested something similar, I told them I’d quit modding in that case. If it’s a job, it stops being a hobby.

Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by mwexler on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @09:23AM (#36212288)
Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by Semaphor on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @09:28AM (#36212390)
I disagree
Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by gota on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @10:06AM (#36212995)
I think you are confusing OPs point. If he is a volunteer moderator he gets to set his own expectations and efforts. By introducing a financial component it could disrupt his incentives, make him feel like he has to put X hours, and change the spirit/community of the people that now volunteer (but would then "work") with him

There is a name for this effect (it's no cognitive dissonance) I think - I recall reading about it in Freakonomics, wherein they discuss it in the scope of parents being "fined" for picking up their children late. The fine actually validated the tardiness as part of a business transaction - instead of being a social imposition - and actually led to more delays, not fewer

Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by tourmalinetaco on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @10:53AM (#36213748)
> There is a name for this effect

Are you referring to incentives? Specifically turning a social incentive to a market incentive?

> The fine actually validated the tardiness as part of a business transaction

It should also be noted the parent’s monthly bill was around $380, and the fine was only around $3. So even being late every workday in a month was only an additional $60. And I’m sure some of those parents would happily spend that to be rid of their children for a little bit longer.

I do wish it was recorded whether the length of tardiness increased as well, and what the mean and mode were. Whether parents started to abuse the time or not, in effect milking the daycare for care, is an important data point as well.

Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by Semaphor on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @11:01AM (#36213862)
Looks like you pasted the wrong reply in this thread ;)
Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by tourmalinetaco on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @11:33AM (#36214417)
No, though you may wish to check over the 2nd paragraph in the post I replied to ;D

Admittedly without quoting it does look out of place. I just edited it to fix that. Thank you!

Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by Semaphor on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @12:05PM (#36214873)
Oh, yeah, without actually having read freakonomics, that looked very out of place ;)
Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by GrinningFool on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @04:39PM (#36218780)
Milking the daycare would look the same as people feeling less obligated to pick up on time, now that they are compensating the provider for the extra time spent.
Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by MandieD on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @12:16PM (#36215056)
Name of the effect: categorical change.

The most (in)famous example in the US is the American Red Cross following the US forces in Europe during WW2 beginning to charge a few cents for donuts that they had been giving away for free. While they were still inexpensive compared to their usual price at US donut shops, it was a huge change in the relationship that ended up souring a lot of soldiers towards the Red Cross.

Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by mwexler on Thursday June 15, 2023 @09:09AM (#36339931)
The early Festinger (1959) studies are basically this exact point. Getting paid or paying transforms an internally driven experience into an externally driven one (get paid or deal with fines). Later studies generalized, but the idea that "external reward or punishment is involved" changes perception of the task from internally reward driven to external, due to the dissonance of "why I'm doing it."

The economists have their own name for many phenomena that come down to the same thing that the psychologists would predict. Hence the rise of "behavioral economics" to converge the fields.

Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by ufmace on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @01:03PM (#36215874)
I think I see the point - that people have very different beliefs and expectations about paid jobs versus volunteer work.

If I pay you just a little bit for something you were doing, it may not really register much because it isn't enough money to really do anything with besides buy a meal or a new toy here and there or something.

If I pay you enough for it to be considered a job, that brings in a whole bunch of new expectations on both sides. You may expect to be paid a fair wage compared to what you previously did, to have a good career path, to do something that looks good on a resume, to have a good work-life balance, etc. And they may expect a certain stable and reliable productivity level, advanced notice for any time off, etc.

Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by CivBase on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @08:53AM (#36226163)
Is there any way Reddit could support mods using the funds without paying them for moderation?
Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by Semaphor on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @10:50AM (#36227489)
They could create better modding tools, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by CamelCaseName on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @09:28AM (#36212378)
They had this!! It was called PowerUps.

Then they killed it.

Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by JohnMakin on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @09:23AM (#36212295)
Twitch is ad driven though.
Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by Zak on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @09:53AM (#36212783)
Reddit has offered a premium subscription for years, though it's not specific to subreddits. It gives the user a customizable avatar, removes ads, and enhances a couple UI features.

https://www.reddit.com/premium

Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by nemothekid on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @12:38PM (#36215449)
>Twitch have a funding model that would probably work great for Reddit.

Twitch's model works great for creators but not for Twitch and as a result Twitch has been working hard to force their creators to run more ads.

Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by skinnymuch on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @08:51AM (#36226141)
Taking 50% of subs is not great for creators.
Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by Nexxxeh on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @02:35PM (#36217185)
Not sure if you're joking, because that is hilarious, but they do offer that sort of thing. Reddit Premium (née Reddit Gold iirc).

https://www.reddit.com/premium

They don't revenue share with moderators though, because as far as Reddit is concerned, fuck moderators.

Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by makestuff on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @04:27PM (#36218668)
Do discord and twitch actually make money though? Consumers are tired of subscriptions so I bet that would be a hard sell. They tried premium features with the gold and stuff but I don't think it every really caught on.
Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by skinnymuch on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @08:49AM (#36226125)
Nearly everyone who cares at all as a user or creator hates how Twitch makes money. They take 50% of gift subs and yesterday banned some ads, etc.

I’m unsure why Twitch would keep squeezing every dollar in insane ways unless their funding model isn’t working either.

Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by Xelbair on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @09:03AM (#36212015)
so they give lower ROI.

therefore they don't exist after IPO.

Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by Workaccount2 on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @09:44AM (#36212653)
As a shareholder I don't want "instead of ads we have", I want "On top of ads we have"
Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by ulucs on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @09:48AM (#36212696)
On top of ads, you can have a dead website :^)
Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by Anon4Now on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @09:28AM (#36212388)
Meanwhile, their valuation has gotten worse. In 2021 Fidelity invested $28.2M in Reddit and now values that investment at $16.6M - a 41% drop [1].

[1] https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/01/fidelity-reddit-valuation/

Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by nemo44x on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @09:56AM (#36212838)
To be fair most every growth tech company took a pretty big haircut. Some value has returned to the stronger players recently. However, weaker ones are still well off ATHs. Will be interesting to see how Reddit looks.
Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by throwaway1777 on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @10:57AM (#36213823)
Most tech companies are down 40% from their peak still unless they are part of this ai hype train.
Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by the_doctah on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @11:38AM (#36214493)
Big difference between tech giants making software used by businesses and a glorified message board
Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by afavour on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @12:42PM (#36215513)
Not really, all comes down to "are they making money?"
Re:Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread ... by paulddraper on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @11:20AM (#36214206)
That's not far off tech in general though