News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by oatmeal1 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @02:22PM (#35878389)
Avoiding red states to avoid being shot would be extremely dumb for many reasons.

1. Cities and neighborhoods in any state can be safe, even in the states with the most shootings

2. If you have enough money to choose to live in another state, you're probably not going to be living in an extremely poor area that is the most likely to be beset with gun violence

3. Other commonplace things are much more likely to kill you than being shot (cars, for example).

Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by theironhammer on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @02:41PM (#35878645)
Perhaps you should have a look at this book. https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/william-kleinknec...

Some Red States are an absolute mess. Some of their stats resemble third world countries.

Their education systems are shoddy. Their drinking water systems are dangerous to health. Taxes are shameful: low taxes for the wealthy but high sales taxes which hurt the poor the most.

Just for starters.

Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by alephnerd on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @02:52PM (#35878783)
Not a fan of the GOP and I have actively worked with the DNC, but using HDI (which is the goto metric for comparing development across regions), most US states Red and Blue are roughly comparable to other western European peers.

The states that do lag significantly (MS+WV) are comparable to Portugal/Poland/Greece on developmental metrics, but they only represent ~1% of the entire American population and are anomalies due to historical social economic factors (that said, this should not mean that we should give up on them - we should in fact double down and invest in upgrading social infrastructure in laggard states).

That said, every single American state and territory fall strictly in the "Very Highly Developed" category from a development standpoint and calling them "3rd world" is only minimizing the actual suffering that exists in less developed countries as well as orientalizing actual poverty upliftment in former "3rd world regions" like China, India, Turkey, Mexico, ASEAN, the Warsaw Bloc, the Balkans, Southern Europe, South America, South Korea, Taiwan, etc.

US State HDIs - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_terr...

European HDIs - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_...

Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by theironhammer on Thursday May 11, 2023 @06:20PM (#35909138)
Fair enough. From the link, I see that the states with the lowest HDIs are Red States while the highest HDIs are mostly all Blue States.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by alephnerd on Thursday May 11, 2023 @10:28PM (#35911196)
I'd recommend comparing at the region level instead of by state government c. 2010-2023.

Different regions of the US became developed/first world at different times. The Mid-Atlantic and New England for example largely industrialized by the late 1800s and early 1900s, the Midwest by the 1930s, the Western US and Southwest by the 1950s, and the Southern States, Appalachia, and Puerto Rico by the 1980s-90s (thank you LBJ for your War against Poverty in the 60s).

A better comparison would be blue and red states within the same region in the US - for example, Blue Minnesota versus Red Wisconsin or Red Florida and Blue Virginia or Red New Hampshire and Blur Vermont.

The same issue exists within the EU as well btw - this is why Sweden can have some of the best developmental indicators in the world while Bulgaria can have developmental indicators comparable to developed regions of China and India.

Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by dumbotron on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @02:56AM (#35884475)
> Some of their stats resemble third world countries.

Have you walked through the TL?

Comparing California and Texas can be interesting because the states are both dominated by a single party, so you see how both ideologies can go wrong. With Texas being like a developing country, I'm reminded of the winter power outage. They love free markets. It's not worth it to harden the electric grid for an event that rare that only lasts a few days. Picking on California, its K-12 education is in the bottom quartile.

Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by zbrozek on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @06:23AM (#35885606)
I live in the SFBA and have far worse uptime and far higher prices than Texas. The smugness from Californians wrt/grid does not make any sense to me. I would trade for Texas electrical grid performance in less than a heartbeat.

There was a five hour long outage on Monday while the weather was perfectly lovely. And more than a week cumulative outage in March when the weather was merely a little wet.

Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by dumbotron on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @12:25PM (#35889631)
I'm not being smug about CA's grid. It has rolling blackout on hot days. Its problem is it doesn't let anyone build power plants.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by zbrozek on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @07:08PM (#35894742)
Sorry, I didn't really mean to direct the comment at yours, but rather intended to build upon it. I meet a lot of folks around here who point to the Texas grid failure and snicker about how much better California is at regulating the grid. Yet I routinely put up with outages longer than Austin's under less-severe conditions.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by theironhammer on Thursday May 11, 2023 @06:25PM (#35909169)
Is SFBA's power private? Is LA's power still publicly owned? Do they have power outages (ie Brownouts etc)?
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by zbrozek on Thursday May 11, 2023 @07:53PM (#35909992)
Most of the SF Bay Area gets its power from PG&E, which is an investor-owned utility. Palo Alto and Santa Clara are exceptions; they have municipal power companies.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by CapstanRoller on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @02:30PM (#35878509)
Mass shootings aren't done by poor people. Guns are expensive. They're done by disaffected folks in the "middle class" who have money to acquire weapons and time to spend immersing themselves in online right-wing cesspits.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by dffdsa432 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @02:34PM (#35878567)
The most violent cities in America are all blue cities.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-viol...

Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by theironhammer on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @02:43PM (#35878676)
And most of that is done by drug dealers fighting over turf. The shootings are highly concentrated in certain geographic areas.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by m0ped on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @03:33PM (#35879314)
Most cities are blue cities
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by mikeryan on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @03:46PM (#35879475)
Shit. Your own source disproves that if you use the most recent data

https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-dang...

Take off the minimum population requirement of 100k residents and the most dangerous metro areas are all small, rural conservative towns. https://www.statista.com/statistics/433603/us-metropolitan-a...

Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by alephnerd on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @04:05PM (#35879694)
Most of those cities on the less than 100k list have Dems in government as well, but imo this isn't a Dem-GOP issue and more of a "urban" versus "rural" issue - specifically these are all cities that have been left behind due to an oversized population of minorities (eg. Anchorage+Fairbanks for Native Americans, Memphis+Pine Bluffs+Monroe+Alexandria+Little Rock for African Americans, ABQ+Lubbock for Latino Americans) and severely deindustrialized (eg. Memphis, ABQ, Lubbock, Little Rock, Danville) due to bipartisan support of globalization in the 1990s and the collapse of the energy sector in the 1990s-2000s
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by CapstanRoller on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @03:59PM (#35879636)
>muh red cities

>muh blue cities

>deflecting from the larger point and arguing about team colors

It's all so tiresome.

Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by Incipient on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @07:47PM (#35881821)
It's not only tiresome, it's unproductive. Why it's the case is probably for a whole host of reasons - generally poor education, media, cultural.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by red-iron-pine on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @09:28AM (#35887056)
Virtually all large cities in the US are blue, even in otherwise rabidly red states.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by bombcar on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @02:36PM (#35878588)
Mass shootings are technically any that have a victim count over a certain number and the vast majority of those are committed by criminals with cheap weapons.

Guns are not expensive, they're way cheaper than a car. The Hipoint C9 retails new for $199. If you can afford a mobile phone (read: almost everyone in the USA) you can afford multiple guns.

Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by CapstanRoller on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @04:10PM (#35879739)
And yet the mass shooters specifically targeting minorities seem to use $1k+ AR-pattern rifles (recently with neo-Nazi shit scrawled over them), not those cheap plastic 9mm pistols. Curious!
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by rajin444 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @05:11PM (#35880448)
Those shooters are a fraction of a fraction of the overall rate. Red / blue is the wrong approximation here - selecting where you live based on racial makeup is going to give the most reliable results if you’re looking to avoid crime.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by CapstanRoller on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @11:52PM (#35883456)
>selecting where you live based on racial makeup is going to give the most reliable results if you’re looking to avoid crime.

Haha holy shit, I never thought I'd see someone just be so casually and brazenly racist. Incredible.

Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by shjake on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @01:44AM (#35884057)
It might be the outcome of racist policies or general racist attitudes but they are statistically correct.

There is a high correlation between between ethnic or racial makeup of a certain area and crime and gun violence. I’m not sure simply handwaving this by calling everyone who points that out a ‘racist’ is the most productive attitude…

Generally the same applies to poverty though which is probably a more direct indicator than race.

Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by slap on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @09:08AM (#35886792)
>>Generally the same applies to poverty though which is probably a more direct indicator than race.

Not the case in the US, poverty is a bad indicator, race is a good one.

Poorest white crime rates are lower than the richest blacks.

Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by Timon3 on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @12:45PM (#35889893)
Mind sharing the statistics you got this from?
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by CapstanRoller on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @01:06PM (#35890203)
He got them from 4chan.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by throwawayacc5 on Thursday May 11, 2023 @01:28AM (#35897964)
He's not wrong though, and you know it deep inside. That's why it bothers you.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by CapstanRoller on Thursday May 11, 2023 @02:01PM (#35905847)
Go back to 4chan, please.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by throwawayacc5 on Thursday May 11, 2023 @04:05PM (#35907689)
Cope.
[dead]
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by dang on Friday May 12, 2023 @04:18PM (#35921776)
We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines and for using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's not allowed here, regardless of what you're for or against.

If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email [email protected] and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by dang on Friday May 12, 2023 @04:17PM (#35921768)
We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by dumbotron on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @03:02AM (#35884533)
I'm surprised mass shooters all love ARs. A cheap plastic 9mm pistol with hollowpoint rounds is plenty deadly.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by bombcar on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @10:20AM (#35887757)
School shooters (let's be precise, as that is what people are talking about when talking about mass shootings, not gang violence or other stuff) want to look cool, and ARs are cool looking and everyone markets them up on both sides.

Which is why my simple modification to solve it all is mandate that all firearms be hot pink with a hello kitty logo.

Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by benburleson on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @02:28PM (#35878487)
Texas sure seems to be an outlier though.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by theironhammer on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @02:44PM (#35878684)
Don't mess with Texas. It's already a mess.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by buzzert on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @04:12PM (#35879763)
Utah as well. Arizona also has a much higher standard of living than California.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by TexanFeller on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @08:12AM (#35886216)
Native Texan living in the city. There has been only one time in my life I was near gun violence and it was 1/2 mile away. That didn't make me hate guns, it just made me consider concealed carrying again. Zero people I know have been near shootings or are worried about shootings, it's a nonissue in the real world and only seems scary because of news coverage.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @10:30AM (#35887927)
Most of the gun deaths in red states are suicides. So maybe the states are just very depressing places to live in? Like Wyoming outside of Jackson Hole, is a tough place to l is so has the nation’s highest suicide rate.
Re:Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. ... by robotresearcher on Thursday May 11, 2023 @01:37AM (#35898029)
Wyoming and Montana have the two highest gun ownership rates of US states, and the two highest suicide rates. It’s probably not a coincidence.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/suicide-mortality/...