Well the 226m vests over 3 years. So it's not so bad.

Such hyperbole. Apple is superior in every financial metric. I don’t know how anyone can say this with a straight face while apple exists.

Such hyperbole. Saudi Aramco is superior in every financial metric. I don’t know anyone can say this with a straight face while Aramco exists.

(Since we’re bringing up companies nobody else mentioned)

Yes, Aramco is a competitor to apple.

If you think about it, every company is a competitor because they’re all competing for money

And resources at some level.

Sure it can be objectively good even if another is even better

Ya but the word used was best

What did Tim actually accomplish though? He’s there to essentially “keep” what Apple already established under Steve Jobs. Nadella made some big decisions to completely remake Microsoft.

By the way, return (not including dividends) is about the same between AAPL and MSFT since Nadella took over on February 2014 which is simply amazing if you think about the differences between the two companies.

You probably don't know or don't care, but there is more to running a company than producing a new hardware product line (which is important of course too).

Under Tim Cook, Apple's business functions (procurement, manufacturing, operations, financing, retail) had an incredible change in efficiency and cash generating capability. Also, you may notice that Apple Services are an incredibly large and profitable business in their own right, having grown from nothing about a decade ago.

You probably don’t know or don’t care, but most of Apple’s current logistic/infrastructure was built under Steve. Steve’s connections in China played a big role in accomplishing that.

You realize that Tim Cook and not Steve Jobs was responsible for thar right as the COO? SJ had nothing to do with that.

Really? Steve Jobs had NOTHING to do with iPhone logistics.

Interesting. Do you know that for fact? Were you at Apple and involved in the process?

I was. Were you?

It's sad that when I'm trying to search interviews with Tim Cook I can't find these interesting things that he has done. He knows so much about supply chain management and all he is asked about is privacy.

May be evading taxes by cheating is a great thing to get praised.

Why downplay Tim Cook? If it is so obvious what to do why isn’t Microsoft a bigger company?

Why make disruptive changes? Stay the course and refine. That’s apple, and that’s why they’re the biggest.

That’s also why they didn’t foolishly overhire and why layoffs were not necessary for them.

And finally, why wouldn’t include dividends? SMH

I am not downplaying Tim at all. He’s good at what he does but he and Nadella is not on the same level in terms of accomplishments. Tim was handed a silver platter that is iPhone. Nadella completely changed Microsoft.

Apple literally has updated all of their Macs to a new architecture. While competing with tens of vendors in every product category at a variety of price points. You are being absolutely ridiculous. Apple is literally stealing market share from Microsoft in every product category in which they compete.

Not to mention the Apple Watch.

They quite literally put SOCs they started developing under Steve in Macs. You cannot be serious and think Tim Cook spearheaded M1 chip development. He’s a logistic and operations guy. He’s not a visionary.

I’ll credit Tim with giving Jony the boot and getting MagSafe back on my Mac.

Apple not but three years ago transitioned their entire Mac lineup to a brand new architecture. That could have been disastrous.

Except Mac sales account for less than 10% of their revenue, and as of Q2 this year are down 31%. If they completelyt disappeared it would be bad without anything like disastrous. If you're going to give credit to Tim Cook for doing something original point to boring, unsexy services: over $20B this quarter and 3x that brought in by Macs, with better margins.

Cook was fundamental for Apple in becoming the company it is today. The stuff he has done in there, regarding logistics and operations, its real innovation on its own.

I sympathize more w/ Nadella, but I would think that Cook is an even greater CEO than him.

Microsoft PE ratio: 33

Apple PE ratio: 28

Comparing any tech CEO's pay to Buffett's is silly. Buffett built Berkshire from scratch over 50+ years through incredibly savvy investments. Nadella inherited a tech giant and has kept the momentum going, but the scale and difficulty aren't really comparable.

Nadella is the scottie pippen of tech ceos.