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Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by kodah on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @01:39PM (#35543585)
Elon's playing word games. When the average person talks about State Affiliated Media they're referring to editorial control. As far as I know NPR has always had editorial control and goes to great lengths to maintain neutrality in their writing. They've certainly screwed up in major ways before, but compared to MSNBC, Fox, the NYT, NYP, and CNN I'd say NPR looks like a saint.

The irony I see here is that Twitter is on record as to being involved in suppression exercises around COVID, where they basically acted as the governments hands to suppress legitimate voices. Given that, Twitter needs to wear its own State Affiliated Media badge. Hell, what do you even call an entity that willfully suppresses valid and good information that is not favorable to the government? A state apologist?

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by preseinger on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @01:59PM (#35543954)
what do you call an entity that suppresses conspiracy theories which subvert the public good? i dunno, moral? ethical? the baseline expectation for rational participants in society?
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by kodah on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:14PM (#35544213)
Normal? That's not what I was talking about in this specific instance of Twitter though. Maybe you can make your point more clear.
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by lostlogin on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:24PM (#35544404)
The parent comment isn’t referring to Twitter surely?
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by kodah on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @03:10PM (#35545104)
I think they were trying to say because Twitter successfully suppressed conspiracy theories in the past that it gives them a pass when the information happened to not be a conspiracy theory. If that was the takeaway, I fully disagree. If you get into the suppression game, even for the right reasons, you deserve whatever comes your way when you're wrong even once. That's how we keep powerful entities honest.
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by preseinger on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @04:19PM (#35546188)
covid misinformation is a conspiracy theory, suppressing idiocy is virtuous

"oh but if you allow a platform to suppress stupid shit then how do you know that they won't suppress other blah blah blah" judgment my bro, it is ok if things are subjective

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by adamrezich on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @04:36PM (#35546448)
it's a good thing that everyone who holds any amount of power is always purely, perfectly virtuous and altruistic in their judgement—if this wasn't the case, that sure would complicate things, wouldn't it?
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by preseinger on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @07:31PM (#35548575)
yeah that is definitely a requisite assumption of my position

for the same reason we don't allow governments to enact laws or provide any kind of justice system, because there is no way to guarantee they will be always perfectly correct

yes sir

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by dang on Friday April 14, 2023 @01:56PM (#35572531)
Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar hell. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by dang on Friday April 14, 2023 @01:56PM (#35572529)
Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar hell. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

We've had to ask you this before.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: it looks like you've been using HN primarily for political and ideological battle. That's not allowed here, regardless of what you're battling for or against. We ban accounts that cross this line (for more explanation see https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...), so please stop doing this.

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by kodah on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @09:51PM (#35549825)
I guess you're just not aware: https://reason.com/2021/06/04/lab-leak-misinformation-media-...

I'm not criticizing them for suppressing conspiracy theories, or even idiocy, I'm criticizing them for getting it wrong. Sure, it's fine if things are subjective, but it's also fine when hell rains down on you for being so seriously wrong.

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by preseinger on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @11:49PM (#35550705)
this is a stupid article centered on a stupid premise, it diminishes everyone who comes in contact with it
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by kodah on Thursday April 13, 2023 @10:51AM (#35556366)
I don't think my 13 year old nephew could've stated it any better. Thanks for your enlightening contributions during this thread.
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by preseinger on Thursday April 13, 2023 @10:55AM (#35556443)
don't put this on me, you're the one who linked reason.com non-ironically

be better

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by kodah on Thursday April 13, 2023 @11:24AM (#35556890)
I don't know what Reason's history is but you can look up the story at any other news outlet. The facts are the same.

Be better.

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by dang on Friday April 14, 2023 @01:57PM (#35572560)
Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar hell. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

We've had to ask you this before.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by dang on Friday April 14, 2023 @01:57PM (#35572555)
The kind of flamewar comments you posted to this thread will get an account banned on HN, so please don't do that. We want thoughtful, respectful, and above all curious conversation here.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Edit: I took a look at your recent account history and saw two relevant things: (1) a lot of good comments, and (2) no other cases of flamewar. Thank you! That's great, and should make the current issue easy to avoid in the future.

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by LawTalkingGuy on Thursday April 13, 2023 @12:41PM (#35558217)
> covid misinformation is a conspiracy theory

I've been personally blocked on multiple forums for saying that we don't have enough information to say that there wasn't a lab leak.

I'm not making a leak claim, but stating as an expert that it's malpractice to characterize your assumptions as facts and without a long and detailed audit we could not know what we'd need to know to make a factual statement. No audit of the Wuhan lab had been done so we could not know what happened.

The government pressured old-Twitter to ban people who pointed out this fact.

> suppressing idiocy is virtuous

Are you applying to have your account blocked then? Because what I'm saying is tautological.

> judgment my bro, it is ok if things are subjective

For your opinion, sure. For policy, no. If we can't attempt to objectively show that something is wrong we can't claim to be censoring misinformation.

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by adastra22 on Thursday April 13, 2023 @04:17AM (#35552487)
Conspiracy theories like (1) you should mask up, or (2) COVID is airborne? Both would have gotten you suspended from Twitter.
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by preseinger on Thursday April 13, 2023 @10:26AM (#35555972)
no they would not have, be better than this
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by adastra22 on Thursday April 13, 2023 @01:47PM (#35559270)
Accounts advocating for both positions were suspended back in 2020/2021. It really did happen.
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by petsfed on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:17PM (#35544274)
I was going to mention Radio Free Europe as a really good example of egregious, western state-sponsored media, but then on a lark, I looked up how well regarded they are, bias-wise, and now I don't know what to think.
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by Balgair on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @07:05PM (#35548296)
Hey, just want to say thanks for saying that you changed your mind. It's hard to do on public forums and just in general. It's even harder to say that you don;t know something. Thanks for saying this.
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by pphysch on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:32PM (#35549191)
Western state-backed media is regarded highly by mainstream Western media watchdogs? You don't say.
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by petsfed on Thursday April 13, 2023 @04:48PM (#35561856)
That was kind of my read on it, which is what sent me into a tailspin. I ended up questioning all the tools I had to evaluate a source without taking it on as another job.

But it turns out that the difference in bias of RFE and any number of out-and-out propaganda mills is that if a story is inconvenient to RFE's agenda, they'll de-emphasize it. On the other hand, an out-and-out propaganda mill will just make shit up to fit their narrative.

So where I landed was that RFE was ultimately reliable, but subject to the same little human biases as NPR or AP News or the Financial Times, or any number of other sources that I do trust. Their main source of bias is a bit more of an elephant in the room, but if anything, it makes them a bit harder on their masters.

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by carefulreader on Thursday April 13, 2023 @08:16AM (#35554252)
Don’t worry about the watchdogs. You can just read the content to see. It’s true they’re interested in human rights news, and authoritarian countries don’t look good on that subject. But the content is factual, and their reporters work at great risk.
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by carefulreader on Thursday April 13, 2023 @08:18AM (#35554273)
Don’t worry about the watchdogs. Just read the content. It’s true that RFE/RL focuses on human rights and democracy, and authoritarian countries don’t look very good in those categories. But the reporting is factual, and their reporters run great risks. Several are in jail in Belarus, Russia, etc.
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by mcv on Thursday April 13, 2023 @10:44AM (#35556251)
Turns out many democratic systems actually like politically neutral media that inform the public in the way they need to be informed in order to function in a democratic system. Healthy democratic governments abhor propaganda.