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Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by NikolaNovak on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @02:53PM (#35529638)
was there a "mass exodus"? What percentage of people actually left twitter forever to another system and stayed there? What percentage of audience or "influencers"?

Disclaimer - I'm not on Twitter, but my impression is that a few folks made a large amount of noise for leaving but most people shrugged. Other networks mat have seen a temporary large percentage Increase, but a) how much of that stuck and b) a large percentage increase of tiny absolute. Umber can be misleading.

Basically, every 4 years, half of America threatens to move to Canada, but here I am in Toronto and I ain't seeing it :->

Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by rcarr on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @02:57PM (#35529717)
Fairly high profile people like Neil Gaiman created mastodon accounts so I think there definitely was the potential for something else to take over if that something else was user friendly enough. Mastodon was never going to be it but there were no other real options.
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by rvz on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @03:19PM (#35529994)
> Fairly high profile people like Neil Gaiman

Who?

I have to say, that doesn't sound remotely convincing to the 220M+ daily users of Twitter who continue to use the platform since there was no 'mass exodus'.

It was more like a leaf falling out of a tree.

Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by riffraff on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @03:41PM (#35530382)
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Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by NikolaNovak on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @04:43PM (#35531279)
Right, but that's where absolute and relative come into play.

200k new users per week is... what, 0.05% - 0.1% of Twitter active user base?

Not saying one day it might not snowball, but it's been 6 months and I wouldn't call Mastodon an existential threat to Twitter just yet. I am tremendously enjoying and schadenfreuding the twitter melodrama, but even most people making fun of twitter/musk/socialnetworks, seem to be doing it on twitter.

Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by sleepybrett on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @06:13PM (#35532333)
My mastodon timeline has been growing pretty rapidly over the last year. With obvious ratcheting up happening whenever elon steps on yet another rake. 'Let that sink in' nearly doubled the amount of posts per day, 'hardcore mode' another, 'api shutdown' another...
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by lenkite on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @05:04PM (#35531552)
Still seems to be tweeting on Twitter: https://twitter.com/neilhimself
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by sleepybrett on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @06:12PM (#35532313)
Many people double-post right now. Though since twitter effectively killed it's API that basically gutted a bunch of tools that would automate that for you. Though maybe you could post to twitter and have a tool that is just plain webscraping your home timeline and reposting....

It looks like neil does quite a bit of boosting (retweeting) on masto: https://mastodon.social/@neilhimself

Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by drusepth on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @03:23PM (#35530086)
With so many sites designed to track activity (and per-user activity) on Twitter, I'd lean towards "no mass exodus" simply from the fact that I haven't seen any gotcha graphs/charts/data literally showing it.

However, anecdotally, my relatively static "following" count dropped from ~1k to ~600 over the course of the back-to-back Elon/Mastodon/Trump/etc events that were supposed to prompt mass exoduses. That could be 40% of the accounts I follow blocking me or getting banned, but deleting their accounts seems more likely in this instance.

Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by sleepybrett on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @06:16PM (#35532360)
I mean I kept my twitter account, I just don't use it nearly as much. When he killed the API it killed the only way I could use twitter and stay sane (tweetbot). Now I can go days without opening twitter dot com. Mostly only visiting it through links referencing specific tweets. So follower/following count might not mean much. I'm still following everyone I followed it's just that if they post I'm not actually seeing it.
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by nemo44x on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @03:20PM (#35530014)
Yeah I don’t understand the mass exodus narrative. I guess it’s what some people would like to have happened. I’ve also heard a lot of the mastodon account growth is pedo related too. Is that true?

Honestly I feel like Twitter is better than it ever has been. The “For You” feed is actually really good now. There’s also a greater diversity of views now it seems like.

Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by riffraff on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @03:30PM (#35530205)
Why would mastodon growth be pedo related?

Why would anyone in any illegal content space want to have their content federated outside of it?

Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by nemo44x on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @03:40PM (#35530374)
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by rvz on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @04:04PM (#35530737)
He's right you know. Don't forget the noncery and loli culture that is going on some of the largest Mastodon instances such as pawoo.net, baraag.net, mstdn.jp.

Totally illegal explicit content in the majority of countries, only found on Mastodon.

Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by commoner on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @04:27PM (#35531058)
Twitter is the only mainstream social network that is absolutely inundated with hardcore pornography. Also, Twitter has no shortage of child sexual abuse material:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/06/technology/twitter-child-...

On Mastodon, each instance is able to restrict other instances based on their own policies. Unless you specifically choose to join a Mastodon instance that does not restrict pornography, your instance will not synchronize content from the porn-focused instances.

Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by NikolaNovak on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @04:33PM (#35531162)
That's the first I heard about this, but I don't really follow the space (neither Mastodon nor CSAM). Is "SecJuice" a reputable source / how legit is the report?

The one instance I have any prior awareness of, the mastodon creator saying search is not desired due to negative social dynamics, everywhere else it was presented as a privacy and anonymity behaviour - crucially, both from those who agreed and disagreed (which makes intuitive sense; on one hand I dislike e.g. Facebook not being publicly searchable some of the time, at the same time I don't want my content crawled by randos all the time either). This is the first place I've seen that frames it as explicitly CSAM related.

Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by commoner on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @04:45PM (#35531309)
Here's the HN discussion for that article that puts it into context: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33651693

The author is only speculating about Mastodon's search feature, and I see no actual evidence that the search feature is intentionally limited due to child sexual abuse material.