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Re:FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE Now Available by jmort253 on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @06:53AM (#35523314)
I tried FreeBSD on ARM64. I couldn't get the browsers, like Firefox or Epiphany, to load without crashing. I'm not sure if it was something I was doing wrong or if the ARM ecosystem just isn't well supported yet. I was also running in a VM with QEMU.

On the surface, FreeBSD sounds cool. I liked that I could boot directly to a console and then run the GUI only if I wanted to. Everything felt more modular. It reminded me of the days before Windows 95 when I could just use DOS to save precious memory and CPU bandwidth.

Only I'm not sure I'd be able to use it as a daily driver. I felt like I'd be spending my time administering the machine and nothing else. Maybe it was just because it was running in a VM. Maybe it was because it's ARM. Not sure. I'd love to hear others experiences with FreeBSD on ARM.

Re:FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE Now Available by matrix12 on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @09:26AM (#35524812)
Same experience with Browsers. Only Surf never dies.
Re:FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE Now Available by mnd999 on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @09:58AM (#35525240)
Firefox on Sway with wayland enabled seems to lose the compositor connection almost instantly.
Re:FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE Now Available by MuffinFlavored on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @10:44AM (#35525897)
https://surf.suckless.org/

ah, the memories

this + dwn https://dwm.suckless.org/

then I said to myself "why am I wasting so much time tinkering with stuff that gains me nothing" and moved on in my life

Re:FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE Now Available by anthk on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @04:26PM (#35531047)
Eh, I disagree. WMaker+Luakit makes my netbook work. Anything else under i686 it's a no-no.
Re:FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE Now Available by Zababa on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @04:41PM (#35531251)
I had the opposite experience with dwm. I don't like cycling through overlapping windows on the same "desktop", and I don't like taking the time to place windows correctly. With 2 screens, I have 18 "desktops", which is more than enough, and the automatic tiling is exactly what I want. On the other hand when I use GNOME/KDE/Windows I'm always losing lots of time navigating. Also I must have some kind of curse because even with high-end computers I've never had one of those run really smoothly. My current work laptop is on KDE, and when I use a shortcut to open a terminal it takes 200/300ms.

I think it also helps that I've never really tinkered with it. I took someone's build that had a few things I wanted, and I think that's it. In contrast, I spend more time on a regular desktop environment setting up shortcuts.

Re:FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE Now Available by anthk on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @07:40AM (#35538071)
This, but cwm for floating instead of tiling, almost the same philosophy. Set keybindings, fire, forget. I use Wmaker because that was my first WM and I like it, but CWM it's my "failsafe" wm when things break.
Re:FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE Now Available by crest on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @09:32AM (#35524892)
Do you still have the core dumps and messages to stdout/stderr/dmesg?
Re:FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE Now Available by pdntspa on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @10:12AM (#35525430)
If you're going to run it in a VM, why ARM?
Re:FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE Now Available by lockhouse on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @03:02PM (#35529793)
Not OP by my machine is an M1 Mac, so ARM64 VMs are much more performant than emulated x86/x64 ones.
Re:FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE Now Available by jmort253 on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @01:35AM (#35535419)
Exactly. I was on an M1 Mac, so trying to emulate x86/64 would have been painfully, unusably slow.

For simple console stuff on the terminal, it's ok. But when the GUI is involved, or anything with a lot of computation, having to translate all of the instructions from native ARM64 back to x86/64 and back takes a ton of resources and time.

Re:FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE Now Available by okasaki on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @11:32AM (#35526561)
> I liked that I could boot directly to a console and then run the GUI only if I wanted to.

You can do that in Linux...

> Only I'm not sure I'd be able to use it as a daily driver. I felt like I'd be spending my time administering the machine and nothing else.

Not really? I think the BSDs are simpler, change less and are better documented.

Source: I ran OpenBSD on desktops in early 2000s.

Re:FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE Now Available by hulitu on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @04:40PM (#35531234)
> I think the BSDs are simpler, change less and are better documented

> Source: I ran OpenBSD on desktops in early 2000s.

From my experience witb BSDs on a SUN pizza box (also around 2000) : FreeBSD had the docs on the internet, not very helpful when you want to configure the network. OpenBSD was ok. Linux (my first choice) was slow as hell.

Re:FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE Now Available by pnpnp on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @11:55PM (#35534826)
As a current OpenBSD user, the man pages absolutely blow Linux out of the water.

RTFM will go a very, very long way on this OS.

Re:FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE Now Available by jmort253 on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @01:33AM (#35535408)
On that note, maybe I should try the other BSD flavors then.
Re:FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE Now Available by jmort253 on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:32AM (#35535777)
> You can do that in Linux...

I think I _may_ have done that before. What I thought was interesting is FreeBSD just did that without any extra steps. When I "apt-get install" a desktop environment in Ubuntu or Debian and reboot, the desktop environment loads by default. In FreeBSD, I guess there's some startup scripts I would need to edit to start X and the desktop manager...

Re:FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE Now Available by okasaki on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @11:42AM (#35541618)
Yeah, Debian will auto-configure that for you. Distros like Arch do not.

Well, it depends on what you install. If you install just xorg and a window manager, it usually won't boot into it.

If you install GNOME or KDE that ship with a display manager, it will be configured to boot into it. That is what you would usually want though.

Re:FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE Now Available by RealStickman_ on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @11:44AM (#35541660)
You can just disable the login manager on Debian and you'll start at the TTY every time.