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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by labrador on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @09:39AM (#35453962)
People in big cities get mugged, sometimes violently. This happened in Republican led cities when I was young. It happens in Democratic led cities now. It happens in London. It happens in Moscow. You can have policy differences with the government of San Francisco, but please don't capitalize on this tragic death to advance them. It's exploitive and disrespectful to Bob Lee's family. I know I'm whistling in the wind, but I needed to say it for myself.
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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by Vervious on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @09:43AM (#35454031)
It’s not every day that a big tech exec gets stabbed and killed. It’s like a bank exec getting mugged in nyc, it just doesn’t happen.
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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by labrador on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @10:38AM (#35455019)
I don't recommend anyone walk alone at 2:30 am in any big city. Get an Uber.
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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by Vervious on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @10:52AM (#35455246)
That's only because SF isn't safe, esp relative to rent price. I regularly walk alone at 2:30am in nyc in most neighborhoods.
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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by labrador on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @11:01AM (#35455389)
As we heard all day yesterday, nyc has the most massive and powerful police force in the world, which is understandable since it is a target of terrorists. It also takes an awful lot of money to live there. Must be nice. I dream of living there myself one day, but my time and money have run out.
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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by Vervious on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @12:21PM (#35456609)
SF rent is pretty equivalent?

And note that SF spends $604 on policing per resident, vs NYC's $626 on policing per resident

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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by ghaff on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @02:13PM (#35458292)
A lot of it is about how many people are around (and how you fit in). I have no problem walking in many areas of Manhattan late at night though try to stick to busier streets and avenues.

All the deserted streets in Detroit? Not so much.

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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by ronnier on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @09:53AM (#35454224)
China, Korea, Japan, has some of the largest cities in the world and violent crime is extremely rare in those cities. Crime was never on my mind when I lived in Tokyo. “Big cities” isn’t the cause.
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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by tatrajim on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @10:38AM (#35455023)
Yes, lived in Seoul (~20 million in metro area) for over a decade and never once feared for crime any time day or night.
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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by MAGZine on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @10:10AM (#35454535)
This is mostly a cultural thing, isn't it? Isn't that even more difficult to import?
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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by labrador on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @10:17AM (#35454651)
My friend is in Japan right now and we just had a discussion about how shame is a tool of social control. I was even reminded of the old 80's introduction of the concept of "toxic shame". Obviously a lot of Westerners have no shame and are proud that no one controls them and will declare it loudly to your face.
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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by rabuse on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @02:18PM (#35458370)
It happens in all multi-cultural/diverse settings, everywhere. This is a fact of life. Homogenous nations tend to be the safest.
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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by sleigh-bells on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @09:55AM (#35454252)
Don't you know we can only compare the US to Europe???
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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by mirekrusin on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @10:29AM (#35454857)
Homicide rate is 5-10x larger in US than Europe.
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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by adamsmith143 on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @10:21AM (#35454718)
Gonna go out on a limb and say that a US vs Europe comparison on crime rates is not going to show the US in a good light either.
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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by Rapzid on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @10:24AM (#35454771)
Yep, it's white people.
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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by qwerpy on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @11:26AM (#35455800)
It actually is. White people who allow all sorts of crime and antisocial behavior in the name of equity.
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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by blueyoda on Thursday April 06, 2023 @03:42AM (#35465478)
Ironically, “open-minded” white people have been some of the most racist people I have come across. Speaking on behalf of minorities without their permission and flaunting their savior complex.

As a minority, I genuinely feel offended when politicians try to market lawlessness and anarchy to minorities. This worsens racism, as now racists think that all minorities support these ridiculous policies. To the contrary, many minorities are escaping these very breed of politicians that exist in their own countries, only to find them in America again.

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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by TurkishPoptart on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @01:46PM (#35457857)
Demographics in Tokyo are different than in SF.
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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by jfdbcv on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @09:54AM (#35454239)
Do you comment something similar on school shooting threads too?
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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by labrador on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @10:41AM (#35455065)
What about this? What about that? Tiresome.
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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by zacharytelschow on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @10:01AM (#35454368)
The countries biggest cities virtually all have Democrat mayors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_the_50_large...
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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by CTmystery on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @10:03AM (#35454405)
On the other hand, a good time to debate about how to make our cities safer is now. Today. Bob Lee's tragic death can be a catalyst. The loss must be immeasurable to his family. Wow. That doesn't mean we should throw our hands up and say violence happens everywhere. I think spurring us to action would be a small positive in a sea of tragic loss. It's not at all commensurate, but it's something.
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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by blueyoda on Thursday April 06, 2023 @03:49AM (#35465536)
If only everyone thought like this. Instead we have people that consider the discussion of this issue to be offensive to Bob’s legacy. To the contrary, I think treating this moment as a catalyst for saving lives to be incredibly respectful to his legacy.

(Do people really think this is a disrespectful discussion? Or are they reluctant to accept responsibility for the mess they’ve made - transforming one of the most beautiful places in the world into an anarchical dump?)

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Re:Former Square CTO Bob Lee Stabbed to Death in Downtown Sa... by blueyoda on Thursday April 06, 2023 @03:35AM (#35465412)
> “It's exploitive and disrespectful to Bob Lee's family”

Actually, treating his death as just another statistic of big cities is disrespectful. Disrespectful is throwing this issue under the rug which leads to more innocent people getting killed by lawless thugs.

And by the way, I’ve visited many other “big cities” and have never felt as unsafe as I have in San Francisco.

Perhaps if people stop virtue signalling about “being respectful” and instead try to solve these problems, then we wouldn’t be in such a situation to begin with.

But we now live in age where people think saving lives is an “exploitive and disrespectful” policy…

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