Whether your car is electric or not, you're relying on an external power distribution system to keep it working. Gas has to be moved to you just as much as electricity does.

It's very easy to store 1000mi worth of fuel and take it with you. It's not very easy to store 1000mi worth of range for an EV.

Now you are just doing last of us fever dreams.

Just a year ago, that was not remotely fever dreams for a lot of people in Ukraine.

I offroad and camp in the backcountry a lot, often 100s of km from the nearest gas station (let alone anything with an ev charger) and then might be driving area the area hiking/climbing away from camp.

Hard for an ev to beat two 20L jerry cans adding 300km of range to a tank with 450, in the winter, with 500lb of gear. I imagine one day a PHEV will replace my truck but we’re not there yet.

Don’t take the collapse of society to suddenly need to grab a few jerry cans and travel a long way quick where there is no ev chargers

Well...I'm replying to the person above me.

But also: I find this attitude a bit silly. The last 3 years have kindof proven the preppers right, haven't they?

If you're running a diesel vehicle, all you need is a tank in your shed (for ~1000€ [1]) and an inverter powered by your car's 12V battery to run the pump. Assuming your vehicle is barely efficient (10 l / 100km), a full tank load is enough to last you for 10.000km.

Electric vehicles are a bit harder, but even there, it's possible to install enough solar panels and battery storage to last virtually infinitely.

Disaster resilience is easy to achieve, if a bit expensive if you're going on a "full societal breakdown" scenario. No matter what, unless you're a grain farmer with storage, you're running out of food way before running out of transportation.

[1] https://www.geratech-tankanlagen.de/tankanlagen-diesel-adblu...

Diesel has an average shelf life of 12 months if stored at a temperature below 20°C (68°F). As the temperatures rise, shelf life goes down. Additives (biocides and stabilizers) available to extend life but maybe maximum a few years. NFPA 110 diesel standard is "1.5 to 2 years of storage life.".

> all you need is a tank in your shed

Maybe two tanks so you can rotate fresh fuel - now deliver and pumping is a regular operation? Must be designed so water doesn’t condense (not just drums?). Or underground to help if you in warmer climate? Keeping diesel around for decades while waiting for a disaster is going to be a hassle.

Perhaps solar on your roof and an electric car is likely to be more practical (depending on your personal constraints).

Portable Generators are a thing and a hell of a lot cheaper than a car. Buy one and stock gasoline for an emergency and you are fine.

Gasoline has a somewhat short shelf life.

Gasoline polluted with ethanol has short shelf life. Clean gasoline should last few years.

You rotate it. So keep some in the garage, use it, refill the cans instead of your car.

How to stock gasoline? Isn't it a fire hazard?

And I won't be digging up a hole in yard and turn into a petrol station.

You rely on the power grid for gasoline too. Gas doesn't pump without electricity. Also, refineries are a more concentrated source of failure than power stations and a grid.

Most people have a gas can. or 6. Most people don't have battery storage for electricity.

No people that I know have a gas can. They had, like 30 years ago, but nowadays, not a single person.

I think it would be easier to find a battery storage in one of the houses that have solar panels (like 50% of them in my neighborhood) than a gas can.

This may be an apartment dweller/SFH split kind of thing. I have multiple gasoline, diesel and oil/gas mix cans. Most people around here do, for lawnmowers, snowthrowers, chainsaws, etc.

The only time I didn't have one was when I lived in apartments.

I live in a house, but I don't own a oil based lawnmowers, chainsaws etc. (just battery or direct electric), I don't have such a large property to justify oil ones :)

My in-laws have a larger property but they also go with electric based tools, but yeah one of their neighbors does have such lawnmower (I would probably buy robot one, but...).

But you are right I forgot that there are tools that do require gasoline, 30 years ago those gas cans were used for storing gasoline for use in a car or motor (when I lived in apartments).

All you need to get gas in a bad situation is a 4 foot tube

Gasoline can be more easily stored and moved around than electricity. Just don't forget the fuel stabilizer and you're good.

Gasoline can't be manufactured in your backyard, the solar panels on my roof produce over 100 kwh per day half the year, with battery storage my house and transportation can function without grid support.

If I'm getting nervous from Civil Unrest (or just a really bad snowstorm coming up in Canada), I can always grab a few 5-gallon containers, fill them up at a Gas Station, and keep them in my garage just in case, along with filling up my car. If nothing happens, I'll just use them up. If something does happen... I don't want to be the guy with the EV trying to get away when everyone else is also trying to use the EV charging stations for the same reason. If the charging stations are even functional.

Plus, an electric car (or any valuable car) is prime target during civil unrest. It's fun to destroy expensive stuff. It's not fun to destroy a mid-2000s Civic.

This feels a lot like you're writing a survivalist fan fiction. I don't think the car's motor type is going to be the difference in this scenario.

I understand buying something extra just to be prepared, but to drive a Civic because someone might destroy it 5 years from now seems like optimizing for 0.001% of the time at the expense of 99.999% of your time. Plus, there's insurance.

Just keep your car charged (easy to do with at-home charging) and you'll almost always have 200+ miles of range available. If you need to travel further than that to safety, you have bigger problems (and traffic will probably be jammed to the point of roads being unusable anyways).

Oh, but you do, even if you drive a traditional car!

Most gas stations - for both diesel and gasoline - rely on electricity to pump the gas. No electic = no gas. The stations that run during outages generally have generators to do so. You might have some luck for a short time.

After that, no power, no generator, no gas. The trucks won't even be able to get diesel to deliver it to you.

..... ? A small backup generator is all that's required for the gas pumps to work. The state of Florida now mandates gas stations have back up power on evacuation routes, a law enacted from lessons learned from all of the problems caused by Hurricanes Wilma and Katrina. The state of Louisiana I believe also has a similar requirement but I haven't checked.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Displ...

I mentioned in another comment, this is true, but all you really need to get gas if the gloves are off is a short tube or hose.

In which case you'd be far better served with an electric car and rooftop solar. Gas supplies disappear. Electricity is needed to run pumps. But no one can cut off a home solar generation system short of bombing your house.